What would you buy?
11-17-03, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OneTinSloth
yeah, you can. the "cone nuts" are just big 8mm allen bolts that i think screw into another part of the axle that may or may not come out easily. i've only gone as far as taking out the 8mm bolts. conventiently enough, the part of the axle that goes in the dropouts is also part of the axle bolt, which is nice if you ever happen to bend one, because then all you have to do is replace that bolt, instead of unthreading all of the cone nuts and lock nuts, then dealing with all the bearings and such. not that you'd ever actually bend one of those...
Word to William Karsten: read Jobst Brandt's "The Bicycle Wheel" if you want a quick read that breaks down the science behind bike wheels to itty-bitty chunks. It is an excellent resource, but it is out of print. Good luck finding it. Jobst Brandt is cantankerous engineer from California who does his best to poke holes in bike industry hype with unyielding logic and cold hard physics. Some of his posts (tongue lashings, in some cases) can be found archived here:
https://yarchive.net/bike/index.html
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11-17-03, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by William Karsten
Is there anywhere to read up on spokes (what who how etc) and the lacing? I'm pretty curious about the idea behind it.. sort of a primer on wheel ideas?
The Art of Wheelbuilding by Gerd Schraner.
11-17-03, 02:19 PM
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Thanks. The surly hubs definately save coin over the phil woods, just a matter of deciding which fits better. I'm gonna hunt my local library for a copy of that..
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Originally Posted by Buddha Knuckle
That's fat, OTS.
Word to William Karsten: read Jobst Brandt's "The Bicycle Wheel" if you want a quick read that breaks down the science behind bike wheels to itty-bitty chunks. It is an excellent resource, but it is out of print. Good luck finding it.
Peace,
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Word to William Karsten: read Jobst Brandt's "The Bicycle Wheel" if you want a quick read that breaks down the science behind bike wheels to itty-bitty chunks. It is an excellent resource, but it is out of print. Good luck finding it.
Peace,
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I didn't think Brandts book is out of print, I bought a copy less than a
year ago. Excel sports lists it (but a few other catalogues aer not listing it now
even tho they previously did).
Amazon does list it as out of print but shows limited availablity.
Barnes and Noble shows it in stock.
If you're gonna build wheels this is the one to get.
Marty
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Originally Posted by Buddha Knuckle
11-17-03, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by alexs
i bet if you got sheldon and jobst into the same room at the same time, the universe would explode.
> Track bikes have higher bottom brackets, shorter cranks and shorter
> pedals than road bikes, by and large, to allow them to cope with
> these extreme angles.
I think if you put a pedal down and lean the track bike, you'll see
that this is not the case. I'm sure your bike shop has a track bike.
> pedals than road bikes, by and large, to allow them to cope with
> these extreme angles.
I think if you put a pedal down and lean the track bike, you'll see
that this is not the case. I'm sure your bike shop has a track bike.
11-18-03, 09:05 AM
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I'm wondering: I see Phil Woods offers a 36 spoke count, yet Surly offers a 32 spoke count. More spokes = more strenght? Or, does it really matter?
11-18-03, 02:06 PM
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You could also order custom drilling from Phil wood and get 48 count if you really want..
NOw 32/36 count wheels there is a difference in strength but there is also other factors involved.. rim seleceted.. spokes selected.. wheelbuilder which can have as large a effect on the strength of the wheel.
NOw 32/36 count wheels there is a difference in strength but there is also other factors involved.. rim seleceted.. spokes selected.. wheelbuilder which can have as large a effect on the strength of the wheel.
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Originally Posted by William Karsten
I'm wondering: I see Phil Woods offers a 36 spoke count, yet Surly offers a 32 spoke count. More spokes = more strenght? Or, does it really matter?
11-18-03, 02:51 PM
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Awesome info!!! Thanks. I'm thinking that if I can find a good builder, I'll go with a surly hub, and that mavic rim..
11-18-03, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OneTinSloth
I love it
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11-18-03, 06:11 PM
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Surly hub laced to a mavic rim should give you a very strong wheelset, I have not heard any complaints about the surly hubs and for the price they shound like a great deal.
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I'd go for Mavic CXP33 rims myself. The Velocitys are uneyeletted, the the holes are drilled vertically and not towards the hubs, and they're not welded.
32h cross 3 should be fine under the hands of a decent wheel builder, but if you're a basher, maybe 36 cross 3 would be safer. I'm 205 and don't have a problem with the CXPs, but it does largely depend on how good your builder is. A good builder is worht their weight in, er, gold hubs.
32h cross 3 should be fine under the hands of a decent wheel builder, but if you're a basher, maybe 36 cross 3 would be safer. I'm 205 and don't have a problem with the CXPs, but it does largely depend on how good your builder is. A good builder is worht their weight in, er, gold hubs.
11-20-03, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Thylacine
I'd go for Mavic CXP33 rims myself. The Velocitys are uneyeletted, the the holes are drilled vertically and not towards the hubs, and they're not welded.
32h cross 3 should be fine under the hands of a decent wheel builder, but if you're a basher, maybe 36 cross 3 would be safer. I'm 205 and don't have a problem with the CXPs, but it does largely depend on how good your builder is. A good builder is worht their weight in, er, gold hubs.
32h cross 3 should be fine under the hands of a decent wheel builder, but if you're a basher, maybe 36 cross 3 would be safer. I'm 205 and don't have a problem with the CXPs, but it does largely depend on how good your builder is. A good builder is worht their weight in, er, gold hubs.
I'm not a basher, but I've been known not to be extremely gentely either.
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Originally Posted by William Karsten
Problem becomes #1, finding a 36 hole hub (aside from phil woods)
Originally Posted by William Karsten
and #2, finding a good builder.
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Are you sure they are not welded Thyalcine? I thought they were but this would not be the first time I was wrong 
Good wheel builder you might want to check out businesscycles I had a wheelset built by them for my one bike it has been great. He has a some suggested builds on his web site, but you can call him up and discuss other options. As for 36 hole how about some Suzue ProMax NJS Hubs now if just more options for NJS rims
Good wheel builder you might want to check out businesscycles I had a wheelset built by them for my one bike it has been great. He has a some suggested builds on his web site, but you can call him up and discuss other options. As for 36 hole how about some Suzue ProMax NJS Hubs now if just more options for NJS rims
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Originally Posted by William Karsten
#2, finding a good builder.
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11-20-03, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by alexs
suzue promax and junior both come in 36 hole versions. dura-ace 7100 (low flange) and 7600 (high flange) both come in 36 hole versions, as do the campy low and high flange hubs. miche hubs come in 36 hole versions.
now that i can't help ya with.
now that i can't help ya with.
Thanks for the alternatives!! I'll start looking into those! I've never heard of Miche hubs before..
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Check out repartocorse.com they carry miche hubs also chucksbikes carries the full miche track group for abotu $280 I think it is.. The miche hubs actualy are fairly nice, most common description of them is Campy clones, partialy because of looks and they are italian. There web site is https://www.miche.it
Don't let the cheap basic suzue hub through you off on suzue quality of their higher end stuff.. It would be like saying a geo metro handles horribly, so should a corvette.
Don't let the cheap basic suzue hub through you off on suzue quality of their higher end stuff.. It would be like saying a geo metro handles horribly, so should a corvette.
11-23-03, 08:30 PM
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surly hubs with sun venus rims are a great combo. pretty cheap as well. surly hubs are sealed and smooth and not to pricey. sun venus rims are aero and nice looking and have eyelets and are machined and welded. the new paul fixie hubs look nice as well but I am sure they are pretty pricey
