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Old 04-18-08, 09:40 AM   #1
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Paddy Wagon weighed

I have seen a few enquirys here and there about the weight of Kona Paddy Wagon, but little answers. Well I just visited a shop that had an electric scale. The result? My 58cm -08 Paddy Wagon with tyres swapped to Schwalbe Stelvio Plus, bash ring taken off, about 10cm sawed off the seatpost, and headset spacers switched to carbon, has the weight of 10.45kg / 23.0lbs.
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LOL. The carbon spacers on a heavy-end-of-the-spectrum bike tickles me in my fleshy spots.
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Old 04-18-08, 09:45 AM   #3
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I really, REALLY tried to find that interesting.
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LOL. The carbon spacers on a heavy-end-of-the-spectrum bike tickles me in my fleshy spots.
Metal spacers are ugly and if you have spare carbon ones, why not put them on. But maybe where you come from, they are a rare commodity.
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Metal spacers are ugly and if you have spare carbon ones, why not put them on. But maybe where you come from, they are a rare commodity.
If metal is ugly and you happen to have CF, what happens when you don't happen to have CF? You buy CF spacers for 4X the cost, and put them on your heavy ass bike is what happens. btw, all spacers and actually all threadless stem set ups are ugly.

The 2nd joke of all this is that you're reporting them as if you'd be telling us your paddy wagon was 23.0000000000000001 lbs with metal spacers.
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I have seen a few enquirys here and there about the weight of Kona Paddy Wagon, but little answers. Well I just visited a shop that had an electric scale. The result? My 58cm -08 Paddy Wagon with tyres swapped to Schwalbe Stelvio Plus, bash ring taken off, about 10cm sawed off the seatpost, and headset spacers switched to carbon, has the weight of 10.45kg / 23.0lbs.
That does seem a bit hefty. My (60cm) IRO Rob Roy weights about that much, but it has heavy touring/commuter tires, fenders, front and rear brakes. The again I built it up with a lot of spare parts and ended up with several components that are lighter than average: a road front hub instead of a track hub, 28 spoke wheels and a few other light roadie components on there (saddle, stem, bars). Those probably counter the added weight of fenders and bombproof tires.

Heavy components add up and the only way to drop significant weight will involve numerous upgrades, including wheels, seatpost, stem, cranks, saddle. Its not worth it for a Paddy Wagon. The costs easily outweight the benefits of dropping a few pounds off.

My spacers are aluminum

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LOL. The carbon spacers on a heavy-end-of-the-spectrum bike tickles me in my fleshy spots.
also funny: i once saw someone using a tektro carbon brake lever on a schwinn varsity conversion.
as a bonus, he had what had to be like seven inch straight bars on it.

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btw, all spacers and actually all threadless stem set ups are ugly.
What are you some kind of retro-elitist? No threadless setup is as ugly as this hideous monster.


And FWIW, theres nothing cleaner and better looking than an integrated (threadless) headset with a flipped down (horizontal) stem, even with 1-2cm of spacers. Threaded has external cups and big fugly nuts and lockwashers at the top. They look nice on a vintage bikes and steel lugged frames and look cheap and stupid on everything else.

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i ride threaded AND a spacer:



i like it (though as soon as i have time to grab a threading die, i'm going to cut it down the cm it's at.

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My fixed gear built on an old touring frame weights like 23.5 pounds. And it's a 61 cm.
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also funny: i once saw someone using a tektro carbon brake lever on a schwinn varsity conversion.
as a bonus, he had what had to be like seven inch straight bars on it.
Also funny: I've seen a Varsity conversion with a Cane Creek V-33 wheelset on it.
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^^^ pix or your lying
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I've seen it around the University of Chicago campus. I'll take a picture when I see it next.
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If metal is ugly and you happen to have CF, what happens when you don't happen to have CF? You buy CF spacers for 4X the cost, and put them on your heavy ass bike is what happens.

The 2nd joke of all this is that you're reporting them as if you'd be telling us your paddy wagon was 23.0000000000000001 lbs with metal spacers.
Who cares if a CF spacer costs $1 and a metal one 20 cents. Most riders have stacks of them in their toolboxes. Go back and flip some burgers..It's you who's the joke. I didn't say that a PW would be a light bike, I just quoted a weight, listed the modifications that I have done, and thought the information might be useful for someone. I know that the weight difference for different spacers is non-existent. If I wanted a light bike, I would have bought one.

I just don't understand, when someone makes an ordinary post, some random jackasses must reply with sub-par attempts at trying to be smart. Looking at your profile, I have been riding about 12 years longer than you.
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Who cares if a CF spacer costs $1 and a metal one 20 cents. Most riders have stacks of them in their toolboxes.
The point was that you mentioned your weight saving spacers as a modification worth mentioning.

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Go back and flip some burgers.
I aspire to get to the grill. They keep me on the for fries now, but I'm gettin' quick.

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.It's you who's the joke. I didn't say that a PW would be a light bike, I just quoted a weight, listed the modifications that I have done, and thought the information might be useful for someone. I know that the weight difference for different spacers is non-existent. If I wanted a light bike, I would have bought one.
If you were interested in providing useful info, a stock weight could have been nice, since most people won't be cutting weight with ultra light spacers.

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I just don't understand, when someone makes an ordinary post, some random jackasses must reply with sub-par attempts at trying to be smart.
My original reply was in jest. In your reply I couldn't tell if you were trying to be funny or a jerk. Since there was nothing funny about it, I went with the latter and replied accordingly.

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Looking at your profile, I have been riding about 12 years longer than you.
I could count kid years too, but why? Besides, who cares? Are we going to race? I don't think your twelve years on me is going to make you faster. It certainly hasn't made your posts any more enlightening.
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My geared CX ride (Poprad) is under 23lbs. My fuji track comes in around 19. That sounds heavy.
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I would question the accuracy of the scales at the shop where you went. 23 pounds is a lot for any fixed gear or singlespeed bike. My low-end Japanese frame bikes weigh around that much, as does my 60cm fixed gear touring bike.

My Surly Crosscheck with a Brooks saddle, 20 year old SR cranks, a hideously overbuilt rear wheel and lots of cheap, heavy components on it, comes in at 25-26 pounds.
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once you add a brooks, deep vs, 2 high flange phils, 28mm vittoria tire on the back,... my bikes go easily over 20lbs.
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The Paddy Wagon is not an especially light bike, but I'm still a fan of them. What's next? People *****ing about the weight of CETMA racks?
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If metal is ugly and you happen to have CF, what happens when you don't happen to have CF? You buy CF spacers for 4X the cost, and put them on your heavy ass bike is what happens. btw, all spacers and actually all threadless stem set ups are ugly.

The 2nd joke of all this is that you're reporting them as if you'd be telling us your paddy wagon was 23.0000000000000001 lbs with metal spacers.
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