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Old 04-18-08, 07:12 PM   #1
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Stems with positive rise

I've always thought neg rise track stems look better, but the feel of a short positive rise stem is of better control. Its not hunched over. But... it looks funny. I'd like a new Thomson 5 degree rise stem like the one below but I feel like its possibly sacrilidge.

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neg rise good for drops
pos rise good for risers
i say choose depending on ur bars
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Old 04-18-08, 07:14 PM   #3
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that's nice to know. did you have a question?

okay, okay, i know what you want to know. i think it's just fine to do that.
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Get a 17 degree stem, flip it so it's parallel to the ground, and put it a little higher on the steerer tube than where you'd put the +5 stem. That's what I would do atleast. I'm a hater for rise stems as far as aesthetics go, even though I have one on my KHS (came stock, haven't had the $$$ for upgrade).

I'm also a big believer in making myself fit a more aggressive position. Stretching and core exercises go a long way to help at this. So does yoga. I remember reading awhile back how the keirin guys in Japan can tolerate a bit more aggressive aero position on the track versus their American keirin proteges due to doing things like yoga and flexibility exercises. And nothing feels better than taking a nice corner while in the drops of some B123's...
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Old 04-18-08, 07:22 PM   #5
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do what you want, its your bike. Who cares.
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Old 04-18-08, 07:25 PM   #6
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that's nice to know. did you have a question?.
haha, yeah... "can i run a posi stem and not look stupid??" naw, i just wanted to see what people thought about comfort of each.
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Positive rise stems look fine with risers to me. But ugly with drops and horns. I dunno, do what you want.
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Old 04-18-08, 07:31 PM   #8
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Get a 17 degree stem, flip it so it's parallel to the ground, and put it a little higher on the steerer tube than where you'd put the +5 stem. That's what I would do atleast. I'm a hater for rise stems as far as aesthetics go, even though I have one on my KHS (came stock, haven't had the $$$ for upgrade)...
I agree that they don't look as good. I don't have anymore steer tube to add spacers on the bike i'm talking about. so... i may have to do the unthinkable and have a stem that rises up like a *****. and yeah, its with risers, so it won't look as ******** as drops.
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Just out of curiousity. . . my stem is 90 degrees from the steering tube. . . does that make it no rise or positive rise because of the angle of the tube?
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the stem itself is no rise but on the bike its positive ha
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as long as your comfort is achieved why should aesthetics matter? (but I know it's hard to separate the two)
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Just out of curiousity. . . my stem is 90 degrees from the steering tube. . . does that make it no rise or positive rise because of the angle of the tube?
in my opinion, that looks positive. its not parallel with the ground and looks posi. but its techinally a zero rise.
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Just out of curiousity. . . my stem is 90 degrees from the steering tube. . . does that make it no rise or positive rise because of the angle of the tube?
It's positive. Your headtube isn't 90 deg with respect to the ground.
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as long as your comfort is achieved why should aesthetics matter? (but I know it's hard to separate the two)
well now... thats the real heart of the question, isnt it. do you look at your bike when you arent riding it and admire it? I do. If we didnt, we wouldnt bother with powdercoating, bling parts, etc. so, i wonder if some asthetics are universal... like a posi stem looking bad.
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It's positive. Your headtube isn't 90 deg with respect to the ground.
Positive, I am, then. Comfy, though.
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well now... thats the real heart of the question, isnt it. do you look at your bike when you arent riding it and admire it? I do. If we didnt, we wouldnt bother with powdercoating, bling parts, etc. so, i wonder if some asthetics are universal... like a posi stem looking bad.
yea you're right. It sucks but that's the nature of it. I think it takes a HARD effort to not care though. It's weird how on a road bike a + rise is cool, but on a track bike it NEEDS to be either level or have a drop to it
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well now... thats the real heart of the question, isnt it. do you look at your bike when you arent riding it and admire it? I do. If we didnt, we wouldnt bother with powdercoating, bling parts, etc. so, i wonder if some asthetics are universal... like a posi stem looking bad.
Yeah but that is getting into fashion > function territory.
If it comes down to ride vs looking at, I choose ride > looking at.
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yea you're right. It sucks but that's the nature of it. I think it takes a HARD effort to not care though. It's weird how on a road bike a + rise is cool, but on a track bike it NEEDS to be either level or have a drop to it
It's funny because the real big track sprinters will get a slightly smaller frame for added stiffness, then throw on a nice super positive rise stem and some deep drops. Absolutely ridiculous looking but it helps them win races.
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You ride faster on something that you think looks nice.
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the bianchi concept seems to be an exception to this rule. they all (a lot of them) seem to have posi stems (and they look good that way).


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Old 04-18-08, 08:35 PM   #21
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ugh. no it doesn't.


flip that positive upside down and it looks like a mean fillet brazed keirin bike on steriods and HGH.
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Old 04-18-08, 08:44 PM   #22
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i beg to differ. for aesthetics, a deep drop looks wrong if it's not a quill stem. no rise, a slight drop, or a slight rise, all within 10 degrees or so are all superior positions for a threadless stem.
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is that your bike, nickatana?^
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naah. here's my bikes!:
http://www.velospace.org/node/7098 ughh nitto jag, yeah!
http://www.velospace.org/node/7099 ugh positive rise stem, no!
i'm trying to get a concept and sell off the bridgestone though.
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Old 04-18-08, 10:16 PM   #25
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ive got a 110mm 5deg thomson on my new rush that i built up. i think it looks fine. i may be a bit biased since its mine, but hey i like it.
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