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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

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Old 05-15-08, 12:48 AM   #26
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In the summer, in fact I started today, I switch from my winter waterproof Chrome bag to a cotton canvas newspaperboy bag:

http://www.reusablebags.com/store/su...ping-p-41.html

I punch a grommet on the strap and on the bag, and connect them with a 20" bungee cord which acts as a stabilizer strap.
I'll try to get a picture of where I put the grommets.

This bag keeps me very cool on hot days and carries everything I need to carry, including groceries.

If I have something I need to carry that won't do well if exposed to sweat, I put it in a plastic shopping bag.
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Old 05-15-08, 01:23 AM   #27
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Panniers = no fun in traffic.

In my experience, a rear basket affects handling way more than a messenger bag. But don't take my word for it, I only delivered up to 50 pounds of burritoes on a track bike through downtown as apart of my totally sweet food delivery job last summer... what could I know!
Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about a rear rack with panniers that hang along the sides and a bit on top, not a rear basket that sits on top of a rack. Also, 50 lbs of burritos will effect your handling no matter where you put them!
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Old 05-15-08, 01:34 AM   #28
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True, although I think 50 pounds over my back in a backpack would make the bike a little easier to manuever, if not sacrifice comfort.
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Old 05-15-08, 01:55 AM   #29
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I hate messenger bags. I prefer panniers. Still, I have one messenger bag by Pedros. It's better than a backpack. The straps are long enough it drapes about one's side. Plus straps that secure it horizontially about your side; so it does not flop about. That , better than a backpack.
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Old 05-15-08, 03:43 AM   #30
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whos gonna go to all the trouble of riding a bike designed specifically for a perfectly smooth oval on bumpy roads and in traffic just to have a hot bike and then f**k it all up with an ugly rack?

and a bag is more convenient in a thousand ways.

that being said, i would love a touring bike with gears and fenders and front and rear racks.
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Old 05-15-08, 03:48 AM   #31
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If you like the idea of panniers try them, you might like them. I tried them, could see how it would work on the open road but hated it in town. Courses for horses.
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whos gonna go to all the trouble of riding a bike designed specifically for a perfectly smooth oval on bumpy roads and in traffic just to have a hot bike and then f**k it all up with an ugly rack?

and a bag is more convenient in a thousand ways.

that being said, i would love a touring bike with gears and fenders and front and rear racks.
reason to have more than one bike. A bike for all ocassions. My tourer is not as sexy as my race bike, so why think it is. Its functional, with its heavier frame.
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Old 05-15-08, 04:32 AM   #33
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I guess it would be a little difficult or perilous lane splitting between 2 busses when you are fully laden with panniers etc. I'm only guessing as I'm not a courier, and riding with anything on my bike that will come off if I was to jump really irks me. Part of the appeal for me riding brakeless bmx/FG is the fact that I drop my bike and it makes a dull thud, not things jingle jangle of derailleurs etc.
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I want some clarification.

Do I understand correctly that someone participating in this thread has put panniers on a fixed gear bike?

If so, why?

I gave away my car and ride 24/7/365.

I have three bikes for regular use:

1. an ultra-light minimalist street fixed-gear bike for good weather;

2. a fixed-gear mountain bike with fat studded tires for extreme snow and ice; and,

3. a geared bike with racks and panniers.

Based on several years of commuting and making-do with a bike for all purposes, I find I can go faster, easier and safer on a fixed gear bike with up to about 30 pounds of cargo on my body, than I can with the same weight on the bike.

For urban and suburban riding, mixing it up with cars, putting the weight on my body instead of on the bike works better for me.

Traditional touring, with several weeks of equipment and supplies?

A different use, and gears and panniers make more sense in that context.
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Eh? For most people these don't serve the same purpose.

Racks/Baskets/Panniers are good for carrying stuff for longer distances, that you don't have to take on and off the bike, and that you can continue to store inside of them.

Messenger Bags/Packs are good for if you need a bag when you're off the bike or if you're getting on and off the bike a lot.

I don't feel like loading/unloading my panniers every time I stop and have to go inside somewhere or need stuff inside of them. I also like having a bag to carry stuff on me all the time, not attached to my bike. If I was touring or doing something where I'd be on/by my bike the whole day, I'd totally choose panniers, but I'm not, and neither are most messengers. Having some crack head shuffling through your racks and panniers while you're in an elevator delivering one of the 5 things you have with you would suck.
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most messengers have more than one bike
some of them have racks on the front of some bikes
in addition to bags on their backs
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Old 05-15-08, 10:21 AM   #37
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Backpacks like the Ortlieb Flight and Deuter TansAlpine AC have a suspended mesh back that keeps the bag off of your back. I think panniers are definitely better for long distances and/or very heavy loads.

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Old 05-15-08, 11:32 AM   #38
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Well, I've got two reasons:
1. Racks and panniers affect the handling of your bike. M
2. Most bikes that have provisions for mounting these have touring geo and don't have the handling characteristics some people prefer.

1. +1 Racks make it much harder to maneuver in tight traffic quickly. my cruiser will have have a basket

2.My KHS flite 100 "track" bike has rack mounts, what are you on?
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Old 05-15-08, 01:49 PM   #39
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i wear this, it fits everything i need and doesn't hurt my shoulders or give me a sweaty back.



also, i've got one of these in the mail. transient hip bag. $30, hand made DIY ****.
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also, i've got one of these in the mail. transient hip bag. $30, hand made DIY ****.
Where did u buy that from?
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my buddy alex makes them.

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Every system for carrying cargo has its place. Choose what you like for what you need to carry. However, i do not understand when people say it is difficult to take panniers off of a rack. My ortlieb panniers come right off in about 2 seconds, and it goes back on in about 5 seconds. Other panniers i've tried were similar.
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However, i do not understand when people say it is difficult to take panniers off of a rack. My ortlieb panniers come right off in about 2 seconds, and it goes back on in about 5 seconds. Other panniers i've tried were similar.
Do they have provisions for carrying them once they're off the racks like straps or something that are actually comfortable to use? If so, awesome, I'll get some eventually.
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Do they have provisions for carrying them once they're off the racks like straps or something that are actually comfortable to use? If so, awesome, I'll get some eventually.
The ortlieb has a shoulder strap that works well, but i wouldn't want to carry it around all day or anything. I use only one most the time and carry it with me into shops, bars, restaurants, friend's places, or wherever. There are even some panniers that turn into backpacks so you can carry it around once you park. Could be good for hiking when biking to the trail head.
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Do they have provisions for carrying them once they're off the racks like straps or something that are actually comfortable to use? If so, awesome, I'll get some eventually.
Arkel makes a backpack called the Bug. It is primarily a backpack, but it is designed to hook onto a rack like a pannier. I've read that it is very comfortable and functional. I believe I have the same Orltieb panniers (rollers). The shoulder strap is fine for carrying them around, but it's still somewhat awkward for me.
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i got my transient bag today. it's a little smaller than i expected, but it holds everything i need to carry... pump, tire levers, patch kit, wrench, big topeak kit, cash, ID, and a spot for my u-lock. it'll be good for rides during the day and with friends and such, but for work when i need to take a couple articles of clothes i'll stick to my REI waistbag.
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CETMA! if you need to go big, get a cetma. your bag is fine, but what if you need to haul a bike across town? 30 pounds of beer for ten miles? random huge boxes? it could be done more stylishly perhaps, but i feel like it's easier with the cetma.
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Honestly, is there anything better than a chrome messenger bag? I've got the min-metro and love it. I'm no messenger, but for errands around town, I don't think it can be beat. I'm willing to test products that other people recommend though, I've got an open mind.

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Bailey Works beats Chrome.
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Bailey Works beats Chrome.
I'll do some research on it, but to be honest bro, it looks like a Timbuk2 on 'roids. Honestly, it sits really low on the shoulder, and it doesn't look like it would be comfortable on the shoulder while riding.
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