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Old 05-22-08, 05:34 AM   #1
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Is it worth $100 extra to have a lugged frame

Hi

I have seen and taken part in several posts about lugged SS/FG frames

They cost about an extra $100 over brazed frames like Kilo TT

So to find out how people actually like lugs for the money
we have gotten some to try out






What do you think? Worth the extra $100 over same type frame without lugs?

http://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_S...ls&ProdID=1100

Of course, if people really like lugs at that extra cost; we will be bringing a lot more
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Old 05-22-08, 05:58 AM   #2
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I think it looks great.
I would pay the extra $100 if it came small enough to fit me.
Which it doesn't
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Old 05-22-08, 06:55 AM   #3
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go w/ lugs...they hide ugly welds.
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I think that everyone on the board will likely prefer lugs - already you see posts that prefer the look of lugs.

However, I think for your market, no offense, such as the Kilo TT, people purchasing those bikes do not care so much about the "look" of lugs, and are there to, frankly, get a cheap bike.
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Old 05-22-08, 07:49 AM   #5
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i think it is worth $100
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Old 05-22-08, 07:54 AM   #6
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While you'll probably do more volume on the cheaper frame, enough people like lugs that I think you'll be able to sell plenty of lugged frames for the $100 upcharge.
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Old 05-22-08, 08:02 AM   #7
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Personally, I couldn't care less if it has lugs or not. I'm more worried about how it rides and holds up to hard sprints.
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Lugs look great and I'm sure you'll have no problem with the $100 up-charge since you'll still be competitive with the cheapest lugged frames available. Sad to add braze on's though, I know your going to get lots of frowns on the frames for that. Everyone is all amped on a clean smooth frame right now as evidenced by every single re-painted conversion that dremeled the braze on's off. BTW I like that green a lot I used to have a bike painted that color and I always loved it!
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Old 05-22-08, 08:17 AM   #9
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They cost about an extra $100 over brazed frames like Kilo TT
I am a little confused, lugged frames are brazed, and non-lugged frames are welded (right?).

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Personally, I couldn't care less if it has lugs or not. I'm more worried about how it rides and holds up to hard sprints.
Well, if you are worried about hard sprints you probably should be worried about welded/brazed. Welding hardens the metal near the weld and makes it more brittle. Brazed/lugged does not.

That said, when was the last time you saw the welds on a Surly Steamroller fail? I only know of one case of failure.

PS - Lugs look awesome, and hold some nostalgia for older riders.
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Tabor, I believe the "braze-ons" he's referring to are the ones for the cable stops and the water bottle cage on on the frame.

This is a very nice lugged frame. When I replace my frame, I may order this frame, but the braze-ons will have me consider others.
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Old 05-22-08, 08:51 AM   #11
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I think it looks great.
I would pay the extra $100 if it came small enough to fit me.
Which it doesn't
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More small sizes!
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Old 05-22-08, 08:53 AM   #12
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Well, if you are worried about hard sprints you probably should be worried about welded/brazed. Welding hardens the metal near the weld and makes it more brittle. Brazed/lugged does not.
Frames break in places other than the welds. The three lugged frames that I have owned all cracked in the BB shell or in the seat tube, just above the BB shell. Lugs really don't improve modern frames in any significant way. These days, lugs (and threaded forks) are mainly for fg fashion dorks and retrogrouch curmudgeons. They may look nice (to some), but not worth paying extra, if you ask me. Plus, lugged frames all look basically the same to me..similar diameter tubes, similar style of lugs (with some exceptions), and the lugs restrict what you can really do with the design of the frame.

At any rate, who cares...its a bike. I learned a long time ago to stop worshipping gear and just ride it.

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Old 05-22-08, 08:57 AM   #13
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Oh yeah! Absolutely.

And that green is beautiful.
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Mike, you suck!

You know you're not suppose to bring out something better after I've already bought a Kilo.

But yea, if I was presented with this and the regular Kilo, I'd pay the extra $100. It looks great.
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I love love love lugged bikes, but don't think I would pay an extra $100 for them unless it was something special, like that green with a contrasting white head tube and maybe white panels, or maybe chromed head lugs, stays, and fork crown. That would be hot. It looks like I'm in the minority on this one though.
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worth the extra hundy if it's got sexy track geomoetry and no cable guides. If you could swing that plus straight bladed forks with that crown i would probably buy like 4.
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worth the extra hundy if it's got sexy track geomoetry and no cable guides. If you could swing that plus straight bladed forks with that crown i would probably buy like 4.
I'd buy one today and just drop out of school to pay for it I agree though geo is key and loose the cable guides! I like these drop outs way better FWIW.
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SRSLY?
Cable guides and water bottle mounts totally ruined that otherwise great frame.
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SRSLY?
Cable guides and water bottle mounts totally ruined that otherwise great frame.
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Pay the extra $100 for the lugged frame.
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worth the extra hundy if it's got sexy track geomoetry and no cable guides. If you could swing that plus straight bladed forks with that crown i would probably buy like 4.
I agree aesthetically, but with a straight blade fork the smaller frames would overlap your dad. Definitely loose the cable guides, bottle mounts, and chain tensioners.
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go w/ lugs...they hide ugly welds.
also they are sexy
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I'm going to keep hijacking threads wanting an aluminum track bike from bikesdirect.

As for the lugs, eh.
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I'd pay a $100.00 premium for those lugs.
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I dont much mind the bottle mounts, but yeah, tighter geometry straight fork blades now!
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I like it. But I'm a sucker for lugged steel.

Looks like it would make an ideal FS/SS utility bike. If I were you, I'd pitch it to that market, which is growing quickly I notice.
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