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Old 06-18-08, 10:42 AM   #1
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2009 Dawes SST = SE Lager ?

2009 Dawes SST - $329
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/dawes/sst.htm

2008 SE Lager
http://www.sebikes.com/2008/bike-detail.asp?id=46

Same exact geometry and component specs for the most part. I also believe SE Bikes are owned by Fuji, right? fuji track = windsor hour, made in same taiwanese factory. Quite possible that the SST comes out of the same factory as the SE Lager.

Also Bikeisland sells the brown SE Lager frames as discussed in this thread:
http://www.bikeforums.net//showthread.php?t=430791

Based on other things i've read on another forum, I think the Dawes SST is the same as the SE Lager. If this has already been discussed, i apologize. I have ordered a 54cm Dawes SST and I will update with a review. I am excited because i've also read that 56cm SE Lager's do not have toe-overlap, so I am hoping there is none on the 54cm either.
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Old 06-18-08, 11:01 AM   #2
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I think they're both pretty heinous.
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Old 06-18-08, 11:13 AM   #3
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For a bike with those specs, the price for the Dawes is pretty competitive with others in the same price range. Good call on getting the Dawes rather than the SE Lager. Looking forward to your review (with pictures)!
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Old 06-18-08, 11:56 AM   #4
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where'd you find the link to the dawes on the site? i hadn't seen that model on there.
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Old 06-18-08, 12:54 PM   #5
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navigate to road bikes -> and then on the top of all the bikes, in small blue links, click "single speed" or "track bikes" and it will bring you to a page with 5 SS/FG bikes (windsor, motobecane messenger, surly, kilo tt, dawes sst)

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/trackbikes.htm
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Old 06-18-08, 01:02 PM   #6
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ooh, thanks!
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Old 06-19-08, 11:58 AM   #7
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I think they're both pretty heinous.
Is this based on just the looks, or do you know the components as well?

I'm asking because I'm in lust with the Iro Mark V, but can't afford it right now. Should I wait, or is this pretty good? The black Dawes doesn't look too bad, but I'm more concerned with quality of ride and components.

Also, how does the geometry of the Dawes differ from the Mark V in terms of ride? Yeah, I can see the numbers, but I don't know what they mean!

Thanks.
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Old 06-19-08, 12:09 PM   #8
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I was just basing it on the looks - hah. I would wait for the Mark V if I were you, though.
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Old 06-19-08, 12:19 PM   #9
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The Mark V is sexier and will be lighter and will have better components and nicer wheels. They appear to both have more of a relaxed geometry. You'll be paying roughly 2x as much out the door for a Mark V.

I almost sold the Kilo TT and bought a Mark V but I decided to keep the Kilo TT and get the SST and keep one at work.
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Old 06-19-08, 12:21 PM   #10
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the mark v's wheels are better how? more durable? more aero? they have the same hubs...
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Old 06-19-08, 03:00 PM   #11
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I just placed an order for the black Dawes SST. Quality british heritage bike for $300. I'm all over it.
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Old 06-19-08, 03:24 PM   #12
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I think I'm buying the 52 for my girl and a 56 for me as a beater bike. I need a steel bike. This one seems nice.
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Old 06-19-08, 03:40 PM   #13
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I just placed an order for the black Dawes SST. Quality british heritage bike for $300. I'm all over it.
dawes usa has NOTHING to do with the british dawes. they let their trademark lapse in the US and it's a catchy name for bikesdirect and affiliates to capitalize on.

then again, your bike kicks ass and says dawes on it, so who cares if the actual dawes had anything to do with it? (again, they didn't.)
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Old 06-19-08, 06:29 PM   #14
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dawes usa has NOTHING to do with the british dawes. they let their trademark lapse in the US and it's a catchy name for bikesdirect and affiliates to capitalize on.

then again, your bike kicks ass and says dawes on it, so who cares if the actual dawes had anything to do with it? (again, they didn't.)
Just like Masi then I have one of those as well.
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yeah, all of the bikesdirect bikes that have promo pricing are like this.

they sell surly and whatnot that are legit, but the motobecane and mercier and whatnot are just old brands that don't have legal rights to their names anymore.
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Old 06-19-08, 06:41 PM   #16
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The bike looks like a great deal. It will be my first SS, so if my lardy ass can't handle it, I won't feel quite so bad.

I've been looking for an entry complete SS for a while and the SST has everything I want - Steel frame, brakes, bullhorns and 700x28 tires. $300 - winner.
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Why are there maple leaves on the bike? Is it a Canadian thing?
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Old 06-19-08, 08:16 PM   #18
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So i checked out the SE Lager again at Performance today. They did not have a 54cm, but i did check out the 56cm and 52cm. Both do not have toe overlap. The Lager is noticeably heavier than my Kilo TT with front brake and B17.

I am really excited to get my bike. Review + pictures and video coming Tuesday.
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Old 06-20-08, 02:27 PM   #19
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please let me know when you post your review. ive been instested in the lager/sst for a while now. im really interested if i an cram 700/38 studded tires on it for winter commutes
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ctoke,

In the meanwhile you can check out the SST gallery for a rough eyeball reference (the SST/Lager comes with 700/28 tires)

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...s/sst_gallery/

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may just be the picture but that looks like a boatload of clearance.
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may just be the picture but that looks like a boatload of clearance.
If that's a 23/25 on there, I wouldn't call it boatload.
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2 posts above it says it's 700/28
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yeah i was going on the 28c measurement that was posted along with the picture.
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I'm looking forward to this review.
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