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Old 07-17-08, 06:41 PM   #1
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Ebay Crosslake Sales fixed gear review

I got my bike from Crosslake sales yesterday, and am going to do a quick review now that I got to take it for a ride. It arrived well packed and undamaged. Just had to install the front brake, handlebars and seatpost. The fixed cog was only hand tight, so I tightened it and the lockring. I measured the frame, because the geometries listed on the sale add sounded odd. I have the 55cm chromoly model. The seat tube is 52cm center to center, 55cm if you go to the top of the clamp. The top tube is about 54.5 center to center, and the head tube is 16.5cm. The tall head tube makes for pretty comfortable handlebar height, and there is no toe overlap with the toeclips.

Got to take it for a ride today, but first swapped out the tires for Michelin Erilium 23's and put a set of egg beaters on it. Did 35 miles in just under 2 hours. Mostly MUP, but some brick roads, curbs, about a mile of dirt doubletrack, and a detour through a construction zone. The frame rides pretty stiff, but I haven't rode tires this skinny in a couple years, so that may be part of it. There is no flex in the bottom bracket or crankset and accelleration and handling is quicker than my conversion or Cross Check. The handlebars look a little odd, but are very comfortable both on the hoods and drops. They felt a little small in diameter, but I may just add another layer of tape. The brake levers look a little cheap, but when you squeeze them the bike stops. The saddle should go straight in the garbage.

Overall it is what I was expecting. The welds are a little rough, but the finish looks okay. It easily has room for 32mm tires if you like, or fenders. I ordered a new crankset already, not because there is anything wrong with it. I just like 165's, and it came with 172.5's. I plan on having the wheels tensioned in 100 miles or so, they were pinging alittle when I first took off on it. I am leaving the brakes on it, and will probably switch the freewheel out to an 18 tooth for a bailout gear. I am running skinny tires on this one, because I am not planning on riding this one on the rough roads around my house, just club rides and centuries. I hope this helps anyone who was considering this bike.
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Old 07-17-08, 07:42 PM   #2
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No, my computer at the house is down.
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I bought one of these about 6 weeks ago.The frame seems decent and strong.I have heard these are blackmarket fuji.The rest of the bike is extremely poor quality.Crosslake sales claims the hubs are sealed. That is only partly true.these are not cartridge bearings.They are old cone style with plastic covers.they showed signs of wear quickly.The headset ate itself up after 100 miles.crank arms became wobbly on spindle 2nd week.seat tube is odd size 29.2 relacements are harder to find.Croslakes sells the frame only and I would recomend it,although 28 tires were a tight fit.the rest is garbage.I would recomend a redline 925,schwinn madison,or raliegh rush hour.I replaced evrything but the frame and bottom bracket.I had to most of it wore out by week 4
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I bought one of these about 6 weeks ago.The frame seems decent and strong.I have heard these are blackmarket fuji.The rest of the bike is extremely poor quality.Crosslake sales claims the hubs are sealed. That is only partly true.these are not cartridge bearings.They are old cone style with plastic covers.they showed signs of wear quickly.The headset ate itself up after 100 miles.crank arms became wobbly on spindle 2nd week.seat tube is odd size 29.2 relacements are harder to find.Croslakes sells the frame only and I would recomend it,although 28 tires were a tight fit.the rest is garbage.I would recomend a redline 925,schwinn madison,or raliegh rush hour.I replaced everything but the frame and bottom bracket.I had to most of it wore out by week 4
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I just wanted to give an update. I tensioned the wheels and they have been fine. I swapped the handlebars out for some cheap bullhorns and used my favorite bar tape on them. I still have the 16 tooth original cog on the hub, but added a 17 tooth with some locktight and a lockring on the flip side. I have been riding the bike almost every day and taking it on club rides on the weekends. Did the Hotter than Hell Hundred saturday in 4:45. Haven't had any problems yet.
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Did the Hotter than Hell Hundred saturday in 4:45.
you did a century in 4:45?! is that including rest stop time? that's an average of 21mph, pretty impressive.
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No we stopped three times to fill water bottles. I didn't think to check my watch until we were already sitting down with beer and hotlinks. It was 12:30 then, The ride started at 7:10 or so and it takes a few minutes just to get moving when you are in a mass of 11,000 people. So 5:20 or so total. My friend had given me the ride time from his computer. I don't usually ride that fast, but with three of us staying together, it wasn't too hard of a ride.
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It took me 7 hours on my single speed schwinn madison. My first century ever. Hell, my first ride over 45miles ever.
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I bought one of these about 6 weeks ago.The frame seems decent and strong.I have heard these are blackmarket fuji.The rest of the bike is extremely poor quality.Crosslake sales claims the hubs are sealed. That is only partly true.these are not cartridge bearings.They are old cone style with plastic covers.they showed signs of wear quickly.The headset ate itself up after 100 miles.crank arms became wobbly on spindle 2nd week.seat tube is odd size 29.2 relacements are harder to find.Croslakes sells the frame only and I would recomend it,although 28 tires were a tight fit.the rest is garbage.I would recomend a redline 925,schwinn madison,or raliegh rush hour.I replaced evrything but the frame and bottom bracket.I had to most of it wore out by week 4

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Hi guys,

Could someone tell me what the difference between the alloy and chromolly frames are and which is likely to be better?

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Hi guys,

Could someone tell me what the difference between the alloy and chromolly frames are and which is likely to be better?

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When people are talking about bikes and say alloy, for both frames and components, they mean aluminum alloy. Chromoly is a specific kind of steel that has a high strength to weight ratio. You could spend a lifetime reading random people on the internets arguing that one or the other is better and never get an answer. You'll have to decide that for yourself. I prefer steel, but that's probably only because I've ridden a really nice steel frame, but never a really nice aluminum one. You can get an excellent bike made of either one or a total POS made of either one.

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Alloy=Aluminum
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Alloy is Aluminum.

Chromoly is a low alloy steel, most common is 4130.

Aluminum Alloy is lighter and is generally a larger diameter tubing.

Chromoly is a little bit heavier than Alloy, but is more workable and stronger and with a frame the tubing diameter is smaller.

What is better is up to personal preference, but you'll probably get alot of chromoly frames are better.
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I could be wrong but alloy typically refers to aluminum and chromo is steel. As to "better" that's personal prefference. I prefer steel as it absorbs bumps alot nicer. Aluminum is stiffer and more responsive feeling usually
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Thanks for the reply, considering they both claim to weigh the same and be the same price I'm guessing there isn't much of a difference in a bike of this price.

My Fuji track is steel I believe so it might be interesting to try out an aluminium frame.

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I also just purchased one of these from ebay looking for a cheaper way to do it, and having had a couple of cocktails. The tires have been fine (though, i haven't yet put but about 75 miles on them...it's only been a week and I have to go to work still...) the cranks are a little longer than i like, but insofar seem quite solid. The handlebars, for me in the least, were the first thing to go, and i switched out a chopped down flat bar and replaced the brake levers with some old dia-compes from the parts bin in my garage. It does ride rough, though being just under 21 lbs and $300 with shipping, I certainly can't complain. It's my first "true" track bike, and I am pleased for certain. Not to mention that their customer service and communication was quite good... Now mind you, all of this is only my opinion...so well... there you go
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I ordered their fixed wheelset, should be here tomorrow.
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crosslake sales

i get mine from UPS tomorrow... full review coming in a day or two
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Old 11-04-08, 07:51 PM   #19
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We need more of these review threads, and then a sticky with each link in it. That way when someone has questions about a bike they can refer to the review thread. Of course all of the review threads need to be as helpful as this one and should include pictures.
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I just picked one of these frames up for $100 on ebay because it had a small dent in the down tube awesome deal for a beater bike build
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I bought one about a month and a half ago and I love it. I replaced the pedals with MKS GR9s and single gate MKS clips, got some Nitto RB-021 bars, and switched out the cog and freewheel to 17t and 18t. Now I just have to get some new brake levers, a new saddle, and probably some new tires and I'm golden. I would seriously tighten the cog down good though, because it came loose pretty quick, espically when I started to skid. Nothing a quick trip to the LBS can't fix. I ride everyday, either Atlanta streets or a few local trails and it everything seems to be holding up so far.
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final review

Ok here is my review:
I got this bike about 4/5 days ago. it came semi-assembled, i just needed to put on the front wheel, install the handle bars, flip the rear wheel from free-wheel to fixed, install the seat, and remove the brakes. After all of that, i went riding. The first 3-5 miles went off great, the ratio came as a fixed 48-16. After the first five miles, the bike just totally imploded. The chain/gear was making so many funny noises that is sounded like it was going to blow up and after 2 days of skidding i popped the cheap back tire/tube. So i investigated the problem by completely disassembling the bike. i came to the shocking realization that absolutely nothing was greased and the fixed gear rear cog got kinda bend from being so beat. So i greased everything up, got a new back tire/tube, changed out the back cog to a fixed 17, and took it for a thirty mile long ride. It worked great and is STILL working great.

summary:
This bike needs some fine tuning when you get it, but if you do it right you can make this bike run like a champ. Its the cheapest NEW completed fixed gear that i have ever seen anywhere. So if you know a thing of two about bikes in terms of taking them apart and putting them back together, then this bike is worth it. lastly, dont forget that in the LONG run you are getting what you paid for, a $200 bike.


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I just ordered one of these frames off ebay to build up a beater campus bike. I should get it in a week so I'll be putting up some detailed measurements and maybe some close up photos of the welds, etc when I get it.
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I get mine tomorrow or friday im wondering what the bottom bracket measurment is
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I e-mailed them and they said the BB was 68x120, which really has me wondering just what the hell is going on with the frame. Either they just tossed on some random BB they had lying around, or the they think you need a 120mm bb to get a good chainline, either way, I'm a bit worried.

More interestingly, the bike uses a 1 1/8" threaded headset, which makes finding stems a really pain in the ass. So that's why they don't just list this info on their ebay ads. Anyway, the frame was cheap and I have a lot of the parts lying around, just need a seatpost shim for that ridiculous 29.2 size.
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