ok, whenever i'm browsing ebay, ppl list bikes or frames with lines like "some scratches, but the bike has never been crashed."
i don't know bout y'all, but i tank on my bike fairly frequently, and it never results in any serious damage to the frame, although my bars are a bit bent now on the one side. things get scratched, but not dented.
is a crashed bike really a problem, assuming there's no big dents in the tube? i'm not thinking of buying any such frames, i'm merely curious.