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Old 08-09-08, 09:13 PM   #1
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Drivetrain cost

I am picking up a whole new drivetrain for my sanchez... This is what I was thinking

Campy Record cranks (with chainring) 340$

campy bb 150$

euro-asia cog 30$

chain... maybe izumi 50$ (suggestions)

adds up to roughly 600 probably more after taxes. What can I expect to pay for labor? Do shops usually set it up for you if you buy a bunch of stuff?
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just my two cents, but this is all stuff you should learn to do yourself-- it's pretty simple, honestly.

spend a few extra bucks on the tools:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=4218
and
http://www.ebikestop.com/hozan_lockr...ius-TL2401.php

park tools repair site has all the info on how to use each tool; youtube searches are also very useful.

you could have your lbs do it, and they'll probably do it for super cheap, but the working knowledge gained from doing it yourself is priceless.

don't be intimidated-- bike parts are made to be installed and removed, so it only takes know how to get everything going. and don't forget, there's always this site...

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Old 08-09-08, 09:36 PM   #3
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Simple, yet the parts listed have the greatest chance of nub installs and the potential for some serious damage to the most valuable components of a fixed gear bike if done incorrectly.
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Old 08-09-08, 09:42 PM   #4
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with the exception of over tightening the cranks (add torque wrench to the list to eliminate that), what on that list isn't fool proof if instructions are followed and the correct sizes are used?
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I would think that if you were getting a $600 fixed drivetrain, they'd install it for you.

But then again if you're dropping $500 for cranks/BB, what's $20 to install?
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That's a sick setup man, wish I could afford it. No **** but I don't know if the Sanchez is worthy...
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Holy crud, a Record crankset & BB is nearly $500? Damn.
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Old 08-09-08, 10:07 PM   #8
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I was really interested in doing it myself but i am the type of person who learns from his mistakes and didnt feel like having a costly mistake as this would be my first experiance with any bb or crank assembly. Plus I rely on my bike for getting to work and dont want to be left to public transportation.

OH and peabodie you are completely right on the sanchez not being "worthy" but I baught it out of shear frustration of having to adjust my gears and getting **** serviced on my commuter bike and didnt spend alot of time researching a bike. Now I ride my sanchez for at least a couple hours everyday and loved fixed gear, dont think I could go back. I am tired of my stock setup and also am hearing grinding from my cranks when my chain is tight or loose. My plan is to get the drivetrain and wheel setup I want then go get another bike when I have trashed this swobo.

And on that note If I got an Italian bike I would need a different bb wouldn't I?
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New italian bikes are mostly English threaded from my limited experience with Cinellis. Obviously if you're picking up a classic it will probably not be.

I say go for it, those cranks will last you, but now it will be a thief magnet!
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Old 08-09-08, 10:30 PM   #10
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Campy BB/DT require a few special tools that are not in the tool box above. Of course no one told you this because everyone here likes to pretend they know what they are talking about. (no offense)

You will need a "peanut butter wrench" and a six notch bottom bracket wrench.

They run about $50 together. Cop those bad boys and you'll be well on your way. Just remeber to grease all threads!
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Thanks IllSpecialist... and spooki. If I dont do this myself I will definitley volunteer to do it on someone elses. I mean their parts will probably be cheaper and also its their parts not mine. Sike. I might just go sign up at a local bike co op I heard about.
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Campy BB/DT require a few special tools that are not in the tool box above. Of course no one told you this because everyone here likes to pretend they know what they are talking about. (no offense)

You will need a "peanut butter wrench" and a six notch bottom bracket wrench.
not to start an argument, but the only extra thing you'd need is the bb tool (but to be fair, that's easy to forget; i have the set above, and have had to purchase another one for phil wood and campy both, but constantly "misremember" that they came with it).
the pb wrench isn't necessary-- the 15mm spanner is in the set i linked to.

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What city did you pick up that Sanchez in?
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Honestly I'd say hold your $ for now, get an andel crankset (comes with BB, chainring and is 144bcd), buy the tools with the extra $ left, and learn how to do all your maintenance with that crankset. Then splurge once you get your new bike
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$50 chain? $150 bb? umm ok.
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^Disagree since if he uses grease and starts with a freshly-chased BB shell and uses common sense he has 0 chance of damaging any parts. I have "damaged" parts doing maintenance on them, sure -- things like brake and shifter cables, maybe a tube, and over-tightening a chainring bolt or two. Ruining a crankset would be pretty farfetched. In the long run he will simply be wasting money since you can bet those cranks will outlast any frame.
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I picked my bike up at Counter Balance bike shop i Seattle. I moved to SF about a month ago though. Yeah I am going ot buy the stuff and take it to the bike kitchen and have some people help me if I start to feel incompetent
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oh and I dont really understand bcd it has to do with the size of the chainring or crank right? And 144 is track specific right?
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why do you need such an expensive drive train if you dont know what BCD is?
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yup bcd is the chainring's bolt pattern. I only mentioned it because it's not like a sugino rd crankset which has a 130bcd, but its a good quality crank (that's not too expensive) for street riding since stiffness in cranks isn't needed much. 144 is common for track so it'd make it easier for you to find new rings if you ever want to change rings
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why do you need such an expensive drive train if you dont know what BCD is?
why do people need $250,000 luxury vehicles if they don't know what a fuel primer is?

why do people need a computer if they don't know what an integrated NIC is? or a math co-processor?

you gotta start somewhere when learning how things work. And if homeboy's got the money, let him pimp out that bike.
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Sorry I didn't have the complete grasp on all major aspects of a drivetrain before wanting to upgrade and possibly learn how to install one... woops. Anyways I did have a pretty good idea of what it was. But to answer your question I wanted to upgrade and get something allright, my body told me to go with sugino 75. would cost a little more and I probably wouldnt ever need anything else, then I decided I didnt want the japan stuff so I said frig it I will go Italian. Plus I just got like a months worth of paychecks and rent is paid so my cash is burning a hole in my pocket
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oh and I dont really understand bcd it has to do with the size of the chainring or crank right? And 144 is track specific right?
To be specific BCD is bolt circle diameter. If you drew an imaginary circle that perfectly intersected every chainring bolt in the middle you would, with 144bcd cranks, have a circle with a diameter of 144mm.

144 is the standard track bcd, I don't know the technical reasons why. The obvious tradeoff for bcd is that smaller bcd cranks cannot run large, light chainrings without intricate machining and stiffer materials, and larger bcd cranks cannot run the smallest chainrings that lower bcd cranks could.
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why do people need $250,000 luxury vehicles if they don't know what a fuel primer is?

why do people need a computer if they don't know what an integrated NIC is? or a math co-processor?

you gotta start somewhere when learning how things work. And if homeboy's got the money, let him pimp out that bike.
Sorry off-topic, but would you like a 387 for that 386 of yours?
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144 is the standard track bcd, I don't know the technical reasons why.
Blame it on Campagnolo. They started it.
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