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Old 08-15-08, 02:22 PM   #1
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I shouldn't, but I get so mad when I see people attempt to sell their Kilos, or Hours or Motobecane Messengers for $500-$700 on craigslist. I guess if you're stupid enough to spend that kind of cash on a bike without first doing research, then you deserve to be duped.
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Old 08-15-08, 02:28 PM   #2
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so let me get this straight-- someone finds a way to make a $150 profit with no invested work and you feel they should not take advantage of the opportunity?

a smarter individual would start placing orders instead of whining on the world wide web...
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so let me get this straight-- someone finds a way to make a $150 profit with no invested work and you feel they should not take advantage of the opportunity?

a smarter individual would start placing orders instead of whining on the world wide web...

I cannot agree with that at all, i think something like that will ruin the market for bicycles. A lot of people ride bicycles as a cheap way to get around or just dont have enough money for a car, and bumping the price like that on bicycles just makes it harder for people get the things we want for a fair price.
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if an uninformed consumer is looking for a $200 bike, then there is nothing wrong with selling a $50 bicycle to that consumer for $200. Bicycle companies do this all the time, which is why companies like BikesDirect.com are able to compete with them by offering such great "deals".
Our economic system thrives under the concept of maximizing profits from those willing or able to pay the price necessary to achieve them.
Is bianchi wrong for selling their carbon road bikes for +25% what they're worth? of course not.
Neither are these guys-- they just don't have a catalog or a salesman saying it's OK.

note: i don't sell bicycle parts for profit (or at all, really). I trade or give them to those who i feel need them-- but that doesn't make the above wrong. This is just how i roll.
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I cannot agree with that at all, i think something like that will ruin the market for bicycles. A lot of people ride bicycles as a cheap way to get around or just dont have enough money for a car, and bumping the price like that on bicycles just makes it harder for people get the things we want for a fair price.
If they are shopping for a cheap way to get around, then they SHOULD be doing research before buying a bike. On top of that, if they saw the bike listed at $500 and that is beyond their budget, they wouldn't buy it and would simply look for other, cheaper bikes.

You think 1970s Schwinn Frames are worth $250-$350? No. Its not. But you if it's what you're willing to pay for it, then it's worth that price to you.

There is NOTHING wrong with selling things for more than they are worth. It's called business. You think your Cervelos really cost $3000 to manufacture?
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Old 08-15-08, 03:38 PM   #6
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id like to see you guys say the same thing when you see something you really set your eyes on, but some person selling it is selling it for more than you know its worth. Yeah u can look elsewhere but in general, its not worth that much. Manufacturer prices are one thing, but these are private sellers. I don't fully think its wrong either, but i really can't say its right, i guess its just my opinion.
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Old 08-15-08, 03:41 PM   #7
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As a poor college student that loves cycling, i was in the market for a use fixed gear, and seeing that everyone was selling these things for WAY more than i can afford ($500-$600 or more) i managed to find a guy with a cheap frameset/stem that was actually worth probably more than he was selling if for, and managed to build a better (by my standards seeing that it is exactly what i want and nothing more) bike for less money.

in then end it only cost me 200 bucks to build a great bike that i am thrilled with, and it just meant that i had to work a bit harder for something that ultimately is really and truely my own, not something other people put together

sorry for the tangent, but my point is that the poeple that are selling these things ARE doing what they chose to make a profit which is simply capitalism, and i do think that it is better to have another person on a bike than another $100 in my pocket, and there are enough people that feel the same way to find/build a nice bike on the cheap. it just takes more work.

what i am trying to say is, to those taking advantage of people who have are ignorant and have the money to back their ignorance, more power to you, and many many thanks to the people that were of the opposite mind set and hooked me up with just about everything i could ask for.
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The main point here seems to be that goods don't have a fixed price. The price in this case is based on the market (offer/demand and all that stuff).

One might be able to make a point about the ethics of selling something way over market value but that's about it.

As far as craigslist goes I think that it's not supposed to be used for business purposes (w/o paying to post anyway) -- but is selling one bike overpriced making a business?
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yeah don't be pissed at the guy selling. Be pissed at the dumb **** buying.
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i can't count the number of times this has happened to me! but, i couldn't care less because i wouldn't want to do business with someone like that. whatever, let someone who is uninformed buy it and be pleased as punch. you just wind up waiting a little longer and getting it for a fair price...good things come to those who.....
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tranimal,

if you're looking for a black 50cm Kilo, i am in the east bay (san ramon).
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C.A.P.I.T.O.L.I.S.M.

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It is why a forum like this exists.
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yeah don't be pissed at the guy selling. Be pissed at the dumb **** buying.
I'd probably say try and educate the guy buying (AKA dont let your friends pay through the nose for something not worth it) but even still, as long as the buyer is happy with the purchase, and the extra cost isn't forcing him to live on beans and rice for the rest of the semester (which sucks by the way) there really isn't much harm with it.

One side effect i overlooked is it does make other people more likely to drive up the prices which may force people out of the market for a bike but that seems a little far fetched.
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It is why a forum like this exists.
capitalism with an 'a'

and caveat with an 'e'.
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I shouldn't, but I get so mad when I see people attempt to sell their Kilos, or Hours or Motobecane Messengers for $500-$700 on craigslist. I guess if you're stupid enough to spend that kind of cash on a bike without first doing research, then you deserve to be duped.
cities have a high demand for bicycles which increase their value relative to other areas. I cant comment on that markup in particular because you can get those same bikes online for less, but even a crap bike will sell for much more in a city like SF or NY simply because it is a functioning bike.
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id like to see you guys say the same thing when you see something you really set your eyes on, but some person selling it is selling it for more than you know its worth. Yeah u can look elsewhere but in general, its not worth that much. Manufacturer prices are one thing, but these are private sellers. I don't fully think its wrong either, but i really can't say its right, i guess its just my opinion.
Like I said, it's how much worth you put into what you're buying.

An example: People on CL were charging close to $600 for a Wii with an extra controller this past X-mas season. No, it's not worth it. Yes, it was crazy expensive. But do you know why it still sold even though people were well aware that it's $250 MSRP? Because some people decided that seeing their kids happy on x-mas morning was worth more than $600.

And for me, if I can't afford it. I don't buy it. If I really need it, I'll make a well-informed purchase. If people pay over what they should be for a bike on CL, then that's the BUYER'S mistake for assuming that everything on CL is a good deal.
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Like I said, it's how much worth you put into what you're buying.

An example: People on CL were charging close to $600 for a Wii with an extra controller this past X-mas season. No, it's not worth it. Yes, it was crazy expensive. But do you know why it still sold even though people were well aware that it's $250 MSRP? Because some people decided that seeing their kids happy on x-mas morning was worth more than $600.

And for me, if I can't afford it. I don't buy it. If I really need it, I'll make a well-informed purchase. If people pay over what they should be for a bike on CL, then that's the BUYER'S mistake for assuming that everything on CL is a good deal.
i understand a little more now. for me usually give people a deal, instead of ripping people off because that's how i'd like it in return, but i guess I realize a lot of people out there care more about themselves.
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