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Old 08-18-08, 07:10 PM   #1
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Phil Wood bottom brackets/adjustable bb's

I am confused about Phil Wood bottom brackets. 1st of all, do I really need to buy the tool (or 2 tools) or will LBS's have them.
2nd, how is the chainline adjusted?
3rd, are there other, cheaper adjustable chainline bottom brackets?
4th, do the 73/68 bottom brackets fit both 73 and 68? or are they 2 different sizes?

5th: What are those outboard cups? Is that a whole seperate bottom bracket type? Or are the cups to be bought separately and installed on normal Phil Wood BB's? Are they JIS compatible?

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i will answer 2 and 3.
the bb can be adjusted a few mm either way by basically having that side's cup (or ring as phil says) sticking out a few mm and then tightening the bb.
miche bb's are adjustable in this way and run a little more than 20 bucks..
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1 - You can get by with one tool but it is a pain in the ass.
2 - The bottom bracket (cartridge) is held in place by the two threaded cups. The cartridge can be displaced side to side by adjusting the cups.
3 - Yes
4 - One size fits all
5 - Outboard cups are a horse of a different color

Phils are JIS or ISO depending on what you order.
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Thanks guys, I'm still doing some research, I think I'm getting the hang of this.

Still confused about a few things

-the Phil Wood outboard bearing "cupset"... on their website http://www.philwood.com/BB-Outboard%20Set.htm
is that a set of cups to add to their normal BB's (it doesn't seem like it to me) or is that a seperate entire BB with the prices below (although no sizes listed...?)

and I found some ISIS adjustable BB's, but are there track cranks that fit those? Ones that are not spindle/crank one piece?

thanks
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Thanks guys, I'm still doing some research, I think I'm getting the hang of this.

Still confused about a few things

-the Phil Wood outboard bearing "cupset"... on their website http://www.philwood.com/BB-Outboard%20Set.htm
is that a set of cups to add to their normal BB's (it doesn't seem like it to me) or is that a seperate entire BB with the prices below (although no sizes listed...?)

and I found some ISIS adjustable BB's, but are there track cranks that fit those? Ones that are not spindle/crank one piece?

thanks
Why are you focusing on the BB instead of the crankset? It's recommended to first choose a crank and then find a suitable BB. Tell us what crank you are using and we can then help you further to find a BB.
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the Phil Wood outboard bearing "cupset"

I found some ISIS adjustable BB's, but are there track cranks that fit those?
the phil cupset is for hollowtech and x-type 2 piece cranksets.

fsa makes a couple track cranks for isis bb's.



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Thanks guys

I haven't chosen either yet I'm trying to choose a combo at the same time. I'm leaning towards a road double crank with JIS stuff, a lot cheaper.

Either that or Phill wood with track cranks, but it ends up being a longer spindle with the track cranks instead of the road cranks.
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2 tools are necessary if you value your sanity. (unless there is some trick i don't know about....)
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the phil cupset is for hollowtech and x-type 2 piece cranksets.

fsa makes a couple track cranks for isis bb's.

are complete crap, don't waste your money.
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are complete crap, don't waste your money.

work fine, unless you're skiddin and skippin.
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in which case countless times users have complained to FSA about the two-part interface that slips, and their best solution is to epoxy them back together.
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work fine for their intended purpose.
have'nt heard much in the way of complaints about the Al spider Carbon Pro's, just the Vigorelli's.
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