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Old 08-20-08, 09:09 AM   #1
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Cetma Racks and Phil Wood Hubs

Quick question: And yes, I tried searching on Google and the Forums. While the answer may be out there somewhere, I see no harm is asking a question someone will likely be able to answer in 2 seconds.

I have a much longer commute to school this fall, and I do not want to carry my bag everytime I go. I an currently running a Phil Wood up front with risers on a GT Pulse. I am wondering if anyone has had experience with using a cetma rack and Phil Wood Hubs, and if it were even possible.

Any advice into how to mount a rack onto Phils would be great. Everyone I know with one has bolt on hubs and I am wondering if they are compatible. The site said they are with quick release, but has no specifics for Phils.

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Old 08-20-08, 09:40 AM   #2
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unrelated but where are you riding from? and are you the one with the two-toned GT?
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Old 08-20-08, 09:42 AM   #3
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I am the one with the two tone GT, tan and black.

I think we have met before, yes?
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Old 08-20-08, 10:05 AM   #4
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I guess no one is riding this combination eh??
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Perhaps your question would be better answered with an email to either Phil or Cetma.

But although the Phil Wood uses a bolt rather than a nut, it still has the same general configuration, so an axle mounted rack should work just fine.
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Old 08-20-08, 10:54 AM   #6
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I have. I spoke with Lane and he is unsure of the compatibility. I emailed Phil Wood, but I haven't heard back in a few days. I'm hoping to purchase a rack before the prices increase on Friday, so I posted on here.
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Any advice into how to mount a rack onto Phils would be great.
its really simple. you're overthinking it.
put the phil bolt thru the rack strut hole, then tighten it into the hub. non-issue.

it works fine. in the past week i've carried
one of my record boxes (60+ lbs)
a friend to the trainstation (150+ lbs)
my girlfriend home (120+ lbs)

you'll be fine. i've used cetmas on phils, trad. solid axles and quick release hubs. never a problem.
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yup you'll be fine. I've had no issues

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I have also run this setup, works great. I used some washers as spacers between the strut and the drop out to avoid excessive rubbing of the strut on the fork. Its a little more work involved to get the front wheel off, but that can only be a good thing.

I had a problem with using the clamps on the set of risers I got for the bike, so I switched to flat bars then cruisers, works great! Although, the rack itself is pretty heavy, get the smallest one possible, and use plenty of bungies.
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Thanks for all the replies!

I guess I was over thinking it, seeing as how I have never fully removed the allen bolt from my phil. Just ordered my cetma before the prices went up.

Thankfully I did order the smallest size (3 rail). Since I'll mainly be carrying my course work to school and the occasional grocery shopping trip. I'll have to experiment with what bungees to use now.

Any suggestions? And I have seen a number of people use old tubes to strap things down on their racks, is this as effective as it looks?

Thanks again.
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Thanks for all the replies!

I guess I was over thinking it, seeing as how I have never fully removed the allen bolt from my phil. Just ordered my cetma before the prices went up.

Thankfully I did order the smallest size (3 rail). Since I'll mainly be carrying my course work to school and the occasional grocery shopping trip. I'll have to experiment with what bungees to use now.

Any suggestions? And I have seen a number of people use old tubes to strap things down on their racks, is this as effective as it looks?

Thanks again.
A real rack and a pannier if you can still return the cetma. Sure they make you look like a messenger but carrying stuff on the front wheel is an inferior option as is just strapping stuff to a rack. If you do care more about the cool cetma look get a box or basket to bolt on.
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It has nothing to do with looking like a messenger at all. It's not like I will be carrying 8 textbooks and architecture materials every day. I just needed something simple and sweet to transport smaller items so I don't have to carry a bag each day.

I thought about a basket but couldn't find one skinny enough for my liking, and a rear rack I couldn't see if a papers/folder fell off etc.

Thanks for your input though.
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It has nothing to do with looking like a messenger at all. It's not like I will be carrying 8 textbooks and architecture materials every day. I just needed something simple and sweet to transport smaller items so I don't have to carry a bag each day.

I thought about a basket but couldn't find one skinny enough for my liking, and a rear rack I couldn't see if a papers/folder fell off etc.
Which is why you don't just strap stuff like loose papers/folders to a rack for more than a couple of blocks. You get a bag to put on the rack. As I said if you actually want to carry loose stuff and are opposed to a real rack get/make a box or basket and bolt it to your hipster rack. If you're too cool even for that you better get one of those dorky binders with the zipper.
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I a little confused, am I now defending my actions? "Hipster Rack"

I fully understand your suggestions. i simply want to take my 4-5 books/folders/etc, set them on the rack, strap em and im off. No need to use a box or basket, then i simple pull them off and walk into my building.

I'm not a fan of a bolt on box or a basket, I simply wanted something I could strap things to.

I know that you are on the forum a lot hating on "hipsters" etc, and this is from a time when I frequented this board often a few years ago. But you take the time to hammer away at all of my idiosyncrasies regarding what I want in a rack. So it happens to be a cetma, so what?

We don't agree on aesthetics, and I am a "hipster" for making my decision on a cetma. Relax, I just had an easy question, it was resolved. Now I'll go back to disregarding this board because of over zealous users who consistently project one sided superiority on subjects that likely have no relevance to themselves. There is no need for wanton sh it slinging because I ask a question that somehow deems me "hipster", and "too cool".

Thanks to everyone with a laid back answer; and Dutret, I am aware you are very intelligent when it comes to bikes after reading your postings over the years, and I respect your input overall. Just take a breath.
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You asked a further question of how to strap your **** down. Books slide against one another and 4-5 books bungied down and your off just doesn't work. Since you're clearly dead set against any of the elegant solutions for carrying multiple small items I highly suggest you at least a get a strap to bind the books together before you throw them on the rack.

Also I never called you a hipster I called cetmas hipster racks because they are completely inappropriate for most peoples uses yet hipsters buy them anyway. Why are they so popular? Hmm they limit bar choice, they get in the way, they aren't designed for panniers, they are detrimental to handling, they are expensive, they aren't that much easier to install.... oh wait messengers and other hipsters use them. The big ones are good for strapping one or two very large items too otherwise you're better of with a real rack.
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While were at it dude, your axle bolts are way too hipster, because they are completely inappropriate, they limit washer use, they aren't designed for axles, they are detrimental to your handling, and my damage your drop outs. They're good for bolting large things, but other wise you'd be better off with real axle bolts.
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While were at it dude, your axle bolts are way too hipster, because they are completely inappropriate, they limit washer use, they aren't designed for axles, they are detrimental to your handling, and my damage your drop outs. They're good for bolting large things, but other wise you'd be better off with real axle bolts.
The phil axle bolt design is indeed inferior but really your nonsensical babble in now way refutes any of my reasonable arguments against cetmas.
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A real rack and a pannier if you can still return the cetma. Sure they make you look like a messenger but carrying stuff on the front wheel is an inferior option as is just strapping stuff to a rack. If you do care more about the cool cetma look get a box or basket to bolt on.
I sort of agree in theory because porteur racks were originally used with bikes with a lot
more rake which probably handle better under load than the twitchy low-rake bikes
that you see people using a lot with CETMA. The 650B crowd seems to like them.
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that is a little silly.. $100+ rack to carry a couple books around on the front wheel no less..
get a rear rack, zip tie a milk crate onto it, call it a day
works for me
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