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    Torn between Kilo TT and Dawes SST

    Ok for sometime now I've been reading up on possible fixed gear bikes to purchase. It's really difficult to choose a bike based on just looking at it's specs on the internet and not actually being able to try it in person to see if it's suitable.


    For some of you you would pick the Kilo TT hands down no questions asked and I fully understand why.
    It seems like for the price you get a great frame that is track traditional and with aggressive position and sweet look. It seems like because of this style of geometry that the Toe overlap is pretty big though. Some claim this isn't even an issue and some claim this is a HUGE issue. I don't know if it's an issue for me...I really don't know.

    My personal ride right now is a Vintage Trek 400 road bike. This bike is meant to tour and has a very relaxed geometry. I bought the bike off someone for 35 bucks(a steal) and it's even a little big for me(my crouch sits on the top tube). But I love the bike and I think it's totally com(fortable and nice to ride and cruise around.

    Now what intrigues me about the Dawes SST is that it has a more laxed geometry. I figure it would be similar to my personal road bike. Plus there is no Toe Overlap whatsoever. The few people that do have the Dawes seem to really enjoy it.

    I don't wanna choose a bike just because it's more popular. But I also understand there must be a good reason for it to be so (kilo tt).

    So help me out guys? if you have either bike give me your opinion. If you've tried both give me your opinion. If you're gonna be an *****hole about it...then don't give me your opinion. I'm trying to make a smart purchase and I don't wanna regret my decision.

    Thanks a bunch!

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    All the BD bikes are basically equivalent in terms of overall quality. The Kilo TT is popular because it looks like a track bike...that is the only reason. Just pick the one you think will work best for you. For road riding, the Motobecane Messenger is really the best one in terms of geometry and components.

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    Hey Bepoman,

    I had both the Kilo TT and a Dawes SST for a couple months (still have the SST, sold the Kilo). I sold the Kilo because I could never get even slightly comfortable on it. Turns out I had one size too small (had a 50cm, should have been riding a 53cm). My SST on the other hand, is very comfortable and fits great. There is no overlap (54cm, but I believe 52cms do not have overlap either).

    That being said, I am going to give the Kilo another shot in 53cm, which I'm sure will fit much better. The Kilo is much lighter and a much more beautiful bike, imo. Also i've read that the 53cm's barely have any toe overlap. I don't know if the overlap on the 50cm is considered severe by most people, but imo, it was pretty bad. At first I was convinced that it wouldn't be a problem, and that I should just always go over X mph and I would be fine. That is until my head almost smacked into a truck's rear view mirror in a slow-speed crash.

    If you already know you prefer a more lax/road geo, I think the SST is a great choice. It's very comfortable and a blast to ride. It comes with brakes and horns too.

    On the other hand, since you already have a road bike, why not try the Kilo for some variance? It's lighter, more aggressive, and the nicer bike of the two (imo). Also if you're sized 53cm+ in the Kilo, I don't think Toe Overlap will be a problem at all.

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    My road frame I believe is a 58-60cm the standover is def above 32 inches but i don't mind
    I'm 5'9
    My pants inseam is 32.

    If i went with the Kilo TT I would get the 55cm. Are you saying the the 55cm won't have toe over lap?
    It sounds like you're saying the shorter frames have it hardcore but not the bigger ones.
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    I believe I read that people with 53cm's barely have any toe overlap, as in the clip barely makes contact with the tire when the crank is level to the ground and the wheel is turned. The 55cm may very well not have any at all.

    Lots of people ride 50cm without issue. I had issues with the amount of overlap.

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    you know, as mihlbach has already pointed out, the Windsor Hour seems like a good middle ground between the Kilo and the SST. The geo seems like it's right in between the two, and since it's 4130 tubing i'll bet it's just as light as the Kilo TT.

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    I think the thing that I really wanna know is if the Kilo TT has toe overlap(at all) on the 55cm.
    That would be the selling point for me.

    I like your point about the variance. I have a normal comfortable bike so why not have a track style geometry?

    I feel like the right sized bike would effect if it felt comfortable or not. I'm not too worried about the Kilo TT not feeling comfortable.

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    i have overlap on a 57cm kilo

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    I chose the SST over the Kilo mostly because of the cost and the concern over the toe overlap. I have a 58cm SST. No toe overlap. Very comfortable. Just put a fixed gear cog on it today and it works great. The cost of the Kilo is about $100 more than the SST when you consider the extra cost of the front brake assembly which you'll need to buy for the Kilo. Plus if you ever want to switch the kilo to freewheel, will have to buy/install another brake. Then again the Kilo looks a lot sweeter and has a double butted frame. Then againn after I sand those stupid dawes decals off as done here: 2009 Dawes SST = SE Lager ? looks will be slightly less of an issue.

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    Thanks guys

    I think I'm gonna go with the SST
    I know I'll like this bike no matter what. I was just uncertain if I would like the Kilo TT or not.

    Adam thanks for the extra cost consideration comment. That makes a lot of sense.

    I'm not so worried about the brand name and looks of the bike. I just wanna cruise around town Fixed.

    If the inseam of my pants is 32 should that also be my standover height for my bike?
    58cm=32 standover
    56cm=31.5 standover

    I'm 5'9

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    No, you want your inseam an inch higher than the standover.

    Get the 56
    Last edited by fluidworks; 09-01-08 at 12:42 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluidworks View Post
    No, you want your inseam an inch higher than the standover.

    Get the 56
    +1

    I am 5-10, with a 33" inseam and ride a 56. And I tend to a more traditional fit (i.e. taller frame) than is is style these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bebopman
    If the inseam of my pants is 32 should that also be my standover height for my bike?
    58cm=32 standover
    56cm=31.5 standover

    I'm 5'9
    I'd really recommend the 54 if you've got a 32 seam. It gives you 1.2" space while the 56 only gives you .5".

    And with regard to the thread topic, I've always found the Dawes a much more attractive bike than the TT.


    JesseDuncan:I just love how "cars will be forced to cross the double yellow lines on dangerous limited visibility roads".

    I don't want to have a head on but oh god, I HAVE to fling myself into oncoming traffic to pass, theres no alternative!!!

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    Quick note on the whole extra $100 thing. SST comes freewheel, it'll cost you about 40 bucks for a fixed cog and lockring, but then you'll have both and can switch back and forth. Same cost applies if you ever wanted to change the Kilo to a freewheel.

    Note on SST size: I'm around 5'11" 6", and the 58cm fits great.

    Good luck.

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    my sst... 6'0" and my 58cm fits well




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    the 56 probably. Also factor in what your standover height is when wearing shoes.

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    the SST is a pretty attractive bike. After looking at Uke's picture of the blue I'm debating if i should get the blue or black.

    The BD website pics don't do the blue much justice IMO. But it looks pretty hot in those pictures.

    If there was a white one then I'd be all over it like a fat kid on chocolate cake.

    The black one seems to be on the agenda though

    Whats a good brand name to buy a cog and lock ring? Shimano?

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    the blue is pretty cool color. just wish the frame was a little tighter.
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    Everyone keeps mentioning inseam and stand over only. Remember even if do people have the same leg inseam doesn't mean they should ride the same frame because of torso/arm reach differences.

    Top tube length is extremely important for fit and comfort so dont forget take both into consideration. There are times when the older methods get you in the "ball park" but this isn't always the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bebopman View Post
    the SST is a pretty attractive bike. After looking at Uke's picture of the blue I'm debating if i should get the blue or black.
    That's my bike, and FYI the photo IS touched up a bit. The blue is not that electric/saturated, and if I had to do it all over again I would have gotten black.

    I recommend you do NOT get a 54cm. I ride a 54 (SO 30.8") and my standover without shoes is 31". With shoes on, it fits great. 54 sounds way too small for you.

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    I like taller bikes. My trek is a 33 in stand over and for the most part my heels have to be off the ground 1/2 an inch or so. With shoes it a little better. I'm used to tall bikes

    I checked my standover today with no shoes on. I stuck a pole between my legs and had someone measure how far up it went. It seems I'm a perfect 32 in.

    So I guess to me the 56 cm(31.5 standover) would be perfect.

    Thanks for telling me the photo was touched up lol. That blue would have been HOT. I ordered the black because I like the color white(if that sounds odd). I'm probably gonna change some things and add white components(white and black are a knock out combo in my opinion)

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