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Old 09-06-08, 09:11 AM   #1
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weight advice

okay, so i've been working on revamping this old frame that i found in the trash a few days ago....hate on it if you want, it was f-r-e-e....it's an old huffy sweetstyle (yeeaah purple and pink!). keep in mind, this bike weighed about 50-60 lbs when i found it, and i almost passed out trying to bring it home, threw away everything but the frame and fork which are in good condition and with everything stripped the frame still weighs about 9 lbs, 12 with the fork, it's steel, but my other bike weighs only 16lbs total.

the reasons i'm putting this much work in to what is quite possibly the sh*ttiest frame on the planet are:

1. I really need a beater, because i'm commuting on a $3,000 bike and i'm terrified on locking that thing outside even in broad daylight on a busy street
2. I'm very small (5'2") and small frames have proven hard to find unless i want to spend $260 on an IRO heidi (down the road i plan to, right now i simply don't have the cash)
3. I am brizzoke, and this frame was small -48cm- and free.

my plan is to sand and repaint the frame, and slowly build it with a combination of some cheap parts, and a few nice components...650c deep v's, pista bars, possibly a brooks saddle, messenger cranks, etc. and when the build is complete save up for the heidi, and transfer all of the nice parts to the nice frame and use this for commuting and riding home from the bar....but still

is it a waste of time to build up such a heavy frame? should i worry about the weight on the wheels? i only weigh 100lbs so i'm thinking about 200lb guys riding on the same wheels...is it going to be too heavy for comfort when its done? will this affect ride quality to the point where i might notice and not ever want to ride this bike? i know people may shun this whole post but its more situational than some dumb chick putting nice parts on a ****ty frame cuz its a cool thing to do
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can you get the parts out of the garbage? The only way this makes any sense is if you're not spending a lot of money on it and even getting parts for cheap will cost enough that this frame isn't going to be worth it. Does it even have an english bb?

From the parts you name it sounds like you're just putting the standard hipster ensemble of parts on a ****ty frame cause it's the cool thing to do. If you're so broke and you can't stand to lock your current bike why would you wait 6 months while you scrounge and save for deepvs. If you're broke salvage what you can and replace what absolutely needs to be replaced. Never paint a frame unless you can spend the money to do it right or it is going to fall apart if you don't.
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If you need a beater that badly go for it. build your Huffy beater then do what you mentioned in your post "when the build is complete save up for the heidi, and transfer all of the nice parts to the nice frame"
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Old 09-06-08, 10:55 AM   #4
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i've painted frames before, none of them have fallen apart from being painted, and i just can't justify spending a bunch of money to powdercoat a huffy....

they may be cool hipster parts but they are quality parts... i do have confidence that i can take it slow and get the parts cheap if i look around in the right places. doubt i'm gonna find deep v's in the garbage

it has an american bb but i found a few conversion kits for $20 that'll make it fit an english bb. whether i use sh*tty parts or quality parts i'll still need an updated bb so it's worth buying
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Sell your $3000 bike. Buy a $400 Draft/Madison/...etc. Buy a used roadbike on CL. Use the other $2000 to not be broke as ___ for a couple months.

A 12lb frame and fork is *****. I know the appeal of the slow upgrade, you're throwing good money after bad. Even if it was free, there's money that has to be spent that you won't get back. And time. Work a couple more hours that you would be spending getting that bike rideable.
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i've painted frames before, none of them have fallen apart from being painted, and i just can't justify spending a bunch of money to powdercoat a huffy....
I wasn't saying that repainted frames fall apart I was saying frames should not be repainted unless they need to be because there is so little original paint left. If you're going to ride a huffy ride a huffy and be proud of it. ****ty chipping paint looks much much worse.


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they may be cool hipster parts but they are quality parts... i do have confidence that i can take it slow and get the parts cheap if i look around in the right places. doubt i'm gonna find deep v's in the garbage
Overprice hipster parts of mediocre quality.

I was saying you should retreive the parts you threw out. Then you would actually have a bike you could ride and it's not going to ride much worse than it would after you replaced hundreds of dollars of parts.

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it has an american bb but i found a few conversion kits for $20 that'll make it fit an english bb. whether i use sh*tty parts or quality parts i'll still need an updated bb so it's worth buying
Not if you use the cranks that came on the bike. $20 is about 80 times more than the frame is worth and it's a part that will only work with ****ty frames. Tiny frames aren't as easy to find as normal sized ones but plenty exist and since you're waiting to get the right parts so your bike looks just like everyone elses you can probably find one by the time your parts are collected. Most likely with a working seatpost, crank, stem and bars. Or you could just save up and get the 43cm BD version of the fuji track se. It'll end up being cheaper and better than your painted pos and you'll be off your nice bike sooner.

If you'd rather ride a spray painted huffy with deepvs, a replaced stem, seatpost and amercan to english bb kludge be my guest but don't ask people to think of you as anything but "some dumb chick putting nice parts on a ****ty frame cuz its a cool thing to do."
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why would you bother with such a heavy frame?
go to the bike church and start looking for something that makes sense-- this frame does not, especially for someone who weighs 100lbs.

as far as wheels, deep v are definitely overkill for someone so small (and will make locking up to stuff a pain if you're using mini u). if you're stuck on colorful velocity wheels, i'd recommend aeroheads.

ed: dutret is right about the fuji track. my cousin (who also lives in phila and is named nicole) rides a teensy se. the frame is sprayed a matte color to look less appealing to thieves. it's cheap and makes a great beater. if you simply have to accessorize it, you can worry about nonsense like pista bars later. in the meantime, get a bike that works that you can lock up. surely you can come up with a few bens...

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the $3000 bike is kinda special, so selling it isn't really something i want to do, plus it's like a $3000 insurance policy incase i ever get myself in some ridiculous financial situation . the parts that were on the huffy were rusty....like way rusty. repainting the frame the same color as it was (like a lavender) because there's some rust under the original paint- enough that if i were to let it go it would get worse, but not too much to be solved by a thorough sanding, good primer, decent paint and a few top coats( all things i already have and can easily do)

right now i am leaning toward just going to bike church and putting some cheap parts on it- enough to make it rideable for a small amount of money. that way i can use it this winter, and save up for something nice next spring.

the time spent making it rideable is, to me, the best part of the process, as i'll be doing all of the work by myself.

and the deep v's, that i'd like to get are 650c's so they don't come in those flashy colors you think i'm gay over do the aeroheads come in 650's? i don't have a lot to choose from when it comes to wheels because of the size

i use a long u lock with a cable for the wheels, as my road bike has a set of bontrager race x lite wheels on it with quick release skewers. the extra two minutes it takes to lock it up isnt that big of a deal compared to the amount it would cost to replace one of the wheels if it were stolen.

the fuji is a good option too... so i'll be looking into that as well as ms. heidi

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you didn't listen-- you don't need deep v. you weigh less than most teenagers. if it's a lockup bike, go with something more manageable. locking deep v + frame to a meter w/ a small u lock isn't happening.
unless you're planning to drop gaps with your bike, a deep v is going to be as useful to you as a motorcycle helmet.

ps, if you're going to bike church to get parts, why wouldn't you pick up a frame that isn't so illsuited for its intended purpose? you're asking if buildiing it up is a waste of time. everyone is saying yes. you're going from an oclv road bike to a way-too-heavy walmart bike with a press-in bottom bracket shell-- it's going to make riding miserable.

stop, realize your mistake, start over.

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i'm not using a small u lock dude, and i did listen
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cheater-- you edited your post!!

and yes, aeroheads come in 650c.
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i edited like while you were posting haha

sorry i'm not trying to be bitter- its just difficult to remain cheery through this bombardment of criticism

i'm just asking for advice and i am taking all of the advice into consideration

my main point with this is that i need a beater. something that i can leave outisde all night without worrying about it getting stolen.

i want a brooks saddle so that by the time i get a nice bike it will be broken in

option number three- build this thing with crappy parts and sell it on craigslist to someone clueless, use that money to finance a decent frame, build that frame with mediocre parts
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check out bike church before you start. they're open tomorrow... call ahead and see if they have something in a 48 or whatever yr size is. chances are, they will. it's quite possible that you can offer a trade for your huffy, come away with a better frame that makes more sense and end up even steven @ the wallet.
worst case scenereo, they say "we don't get many small frames", and you continue on with your build.

but trust me-- i also ride oclv carbon, and built up a bob jackson vigorelli with high end parts. i had a nishiki as my beater for close to two years now (just bought a jury chrome to replace it) and i hated riding every mile of it. the frame was super heavy from overbuilt tubing, and subsequently stiff and harsh. in the end, i simply stopped riding it and rode the more expensive bikes around town more than i should. seriously, try to avoid that frame.

but that's my piece... good luck + pics when yr done.
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word. hopefully it wont be pouring rain tomorrow, but we had planned to go anyway. do you know how much frames usually cost there? or whole bikes? i've heard they are pretty cheap but i dont have much to compare that to. i went to via last week and they had one small frame that was still too big and they wanted $225 for it used. it was a brand i've never heard of rrb? and it was pretty heavy. still thats only $35 less than the heidi
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avoid via unless you absolutely have to deal with them. they sell everything at an unwarranted premium. the staff isn't terrible, but i've had bad experiences too. i only buy from that place when i have no other options (they have lots of weird harder to find junk), but even then i grind my teeth. via bikes is sucker central, no doubt.

i can't say for sure how much a frame will be at the church, but it'll definitely be waaaay cheaper than 225. give them a call tomorrow and ask about a trade for a discount (if you still have the wheels and parts, it'll definitely help them out).
i just texted my boy who volunteers there, i'll give you an idea of what to expect when he texts back.

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... this bike weighed about 50-60 lbs when i found it,...
hard to believe.
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option number three- build this thing with crappy parts and sell it on craigslist to someone clueless,
Then ride like hell away from that Karma bus that is going to flatten your ass... You're complaining about not having money but then you're going to screw someone else out of theirs?

I say build this Huffy up with top end gear and have a blast. Dump at least six or seven hundred into it. Please...
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it's all good. i'll be sure to hit you up when i do buddy.
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Dump at least six or seven hundred into it. Please...
aka the price of a decent but basic new bike
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You're talking about BB conversions, etc. A question: What is your budget RIGHT NOW? Like do you have $100? $20? $300? What are we talking here?
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