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Old 09-14-08, 09:41 AM   #1
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2009 Schwinn Cutter?

So I've been on the endless search for the most reasonably priced entry level fixed gear and gone through all the forums reading forever and had a pretty good idea of what to do, until I came across the Schwinn Cutter. I know how broken Schwinn has become over the past decade and as a mountain biker, I've always laughed at Schwinn.
But I really think this bike has potential and no one has brought it up on the forums, so I was wondering what everyone thinks?

http://www.schwinnbike.com/usa/eng/P...1-S9CUT-Cutter

I called my LBS and was told that they don't carry many Schwinns in store (understandably), but I could have them order the Cutter for me the moment it is available (product manager isn't in the shop on weekends so the guy on the phone had no idea of availability). I read most of the 150-something page thread on the Mercier Kilo TT and figured that's basically what I wanted, but I think the Schwinn is so much hotter. And has removable decals (even though that doesn't seem like a big deal, it actually is).
$299 is a steal for a bike.

So, what's the expert opinion on the Cutter?
Should I go Cutter or Kilo?
Are there any obvious faults in the Cutter from the specs/pics given (aside from the awesome pedals)?

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Old 09-14-08, 09:48 AM   #2
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That "N' Gauged high tensile steel" rubs me the wrong way, I thnk i'd opt for the chromoly of a BD bike. Aside from that, the components seem to be pretty decent for a $300 bike. I wonder why they didn't list the crankset. Hmph.
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What's wrong with high tensile steel?
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What's wrong with high tensile steel?
Well what're we defining as "high tensile"? What is high tensile for some applications, might not be high enough for cycling. I guess what worries me is that they don't come out and call it CrMo, meaning it probably is not. Anyone have more info on this?
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They didnt list the crank because they're crap. 2 piece I guess you would call it. BB and Crank/chainring. The chainring/crank cannot be separated so if you wanted to replace the chainring you would have to buy a whole new crankset. I guess it's not that bad because I would suggest upgrading the crank immediately anyway.
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If you want a basic rider, you'll have lots of fun on this one.

Personally, however, I would drop a few more bucks on something else or look for a used bike in good shape, especially if you expect to get upgradeitis. The 1 1/8 threaded set up seems to be a very odd choice and with a high-ten frame it will never be particularly light.

Also to ride it fixed, you'll have to drop $50 or so right away for a cog and lockring and some pedals with foot retention (i don't think those will even take clips and straps).

I do like the look though.
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So should I just go with the Kilo TT?
That seems to be one of the better choices (according to the 150 page thread) for the cheapest bike that is going to be upgraded.
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I'm curious about how heavy that high tensile steel frame would be. It may be a good idea to spend maybe another hundred if you can and get something with a little better components. Maybe even 300 - 400 bucks for a solid used bike. Good luck.
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for $300 bucks, there are plenty of non-high ten bikes with better components. Any of the bikesdirect bikes are way better deals than the cutter. If you want to feel how heavy a high tensile bike is, go to your local Performance Bike and pick up an SE Draft. Those things are a joke.
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eh, looks alright but i wouldnt trust schwinn to put out anything thats not overpriced. specially after the madison, i almost broke that piece riding in the local performance shop. craigslist is most likely the best way to go, get something thats already been built up a bit so you can spend more time riding and less time fixing/upgrading.
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So should I just go with the Kilo TT?
That seems to be one of the better choices (according to the 150 page thread) for the cheapest bike that is going to be upgraded.
The Messenger is much more comparable to the Cutter than is the Kilo.
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Dawes SST would be the cheapest route with brakes. I love my Dawes SST. Owned a Kilo, loved it too except for the amount of toe overlap on the 50cm frame (should have been riding a 53cm anyway). Have a windsor hour coming on wednesday, because i'm a bike floozy. a cheap floozy at that.
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eh, looks alright but i wouldnt trust schwinn to put out anything thats not overpriced. specially after the madison, i almost broke that piece riding in the local performance shop. craigslist is most likely the best way to go, get something thats already been built up a bit so you can spend more time riding and less time fixing/upgrading.
Thats funny? Ive had my Maddy since it came out and havnt had a single problem with it? What is it that you "almost broke" while riding it at Performance?
EDIT: My Maddy has "N' Gauged Cr-Mo double butted tubing. (according to Schwinn/Pacific)


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...what the guy above me said. I've been riding my '07 Madison pretty much daily for a year and a half now without a single problem . I've upgraded a few components here and there, but I can't see how you'd have any kind of issues with one in the store unless it wasn't assembled properly.
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I think at that pricepoint the cutter is competing with the Draft, and it pretty much blows it away.

Plus $299 is the MSRP. They're both gonna be at Performance, on sale +10% off.
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Thats funny? Ive had my Maddy since it came out and havnt had a single problem with it? What is it that you "almost broke" while riding it at Performance?
EDIT: My Maddy has "N' Gauged Cr-Mo double butted tubing. (according to Schwinn/Pacific)
the bottom bracket, it might just have been from the quick assembly job they do for the floor models, they never tighten everything up all the way. as soon as a sat on the bike it just felt like things were beyond loose and when i was track standing (i thought they only came with a freewheel on them) the bottom bracket was making like a cracking/creaking sound. i think it might have been the crank arms on the bb tip. striping the square off a bb should never happen.
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I worked at a Performance a little over a year and a half ago, and can say with full certainty that at that time there were was no company-wide build guidelines/ requirements. And builds were not test-ridden before they hit the floor.
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I, myself promise me to getting the schwinn cutter by soon or few weeks!
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Well what're we defining as "high tensile"? What is high tensile for some applications, might not be high enough for cycling. I guess what worries me is that they don't come out and call it CrMo, meaning it probably is not. Anyone have more info on this?
Good lord.
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The schwinn cutter is the biggest piece of **** I have ridden. I'd seriously rather walk than ride a cutter.
You are better off with a fixed gear conversion. It weighs atleast 30 lbs. The geometry is terrible, and the parts are crap.

The Kilo TT is a world better than this bike. The Schwinn Madison isn't bad, but the kilo tt is far better than both bikes.

Of the entry level bikes, the Kilo TT is awsome, the Fuji track isn't bad either.
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the bottom bracket, it might just have been from the quick assembly job they do for the floor models, they never tighten everything up all the way. as soon as a sat on the bike it just felt like things were beyond loose and when i was track standing (i thought they only came with a freewheel on them) the bottom bracket was making like a cracking/creaking sound. i think it might have been the crank arms on the bb tip. striping the square off a bb should never happen.
Well there you go, it wasnt the bike, it was the builder. So the statement you made about the Madison was wrong. I say this because my Maddy came to me the same way (from Performance) seemed like EVERYTHING was loose, but once I had everthing tightened up it was good as gold and still is a SWEET ride!
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Wow, after looking closely at the Cutter, I would def. go with a bikesdirect bike.
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I would also suggest a bikesdirect bike over the Cutter.

However, I don't agree that the Kilo is the best choice. The Dawes SST is $30 cheaper, has a better crankset, better wheels, and includes brakes. Am I missing the reason why everyone picks the Kilo over the SST? Aside from the geometry, it is inferior to the SST.
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Yep, the geometry and cleanly lugged fork are what you're paying for with a kilo.
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I love my kilo, you can get a brake/lever combo for 34 dollars at bike island. I think the dawes is ugly, IMO. cutter = doo doo, madison = nice, but I was in this predicament beginning of last year and I went with the Kilo and I'm so glad I did. It's fast, fun and not a schwinn. If you want a schwinn go to wal mart, they have them there and that's what everone affiliates them with. I get compliments EVERYWHERE I go on the kilo. that's my experience with my entry to the fixed gear world
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