Phil Wood BB Installation Tips?
10-02-08, 09:09 AM
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Phil Wood BB Installation Tips?
I just got a stainless Phil BB w/ 2 tools. I've never installed an adjustable bb before and its such a pricey item that I don't want to mess anything up. Anybody have any tips or things to watch out for? The instructions are a bit vague. Thanks so much for all your help!
10-02-08, 10:27 AM
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If you can't use Google, should you really be installing a bottom bracket
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...t+installation
First on the list
https://velocio.com/Bikes/BBInstallation/
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...t+installation
First on the list
https://velocio.com/Bikes/BBInstallation/
10-02-08, 01:22 PM
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Yeah Viva.Viagra (wtf?), the OP asked for tips and things to watch out for - not for instructions.
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Define instructions.
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Okay, to get this thread back on track... You need to make sure that the BB threads are chased and clean. The cups should thread in and out easily before being set. Install and center the BB cartridge and cups. Look at threads on the cups when the cartridge is centered because that's the position you need to replicate when you use the loctite. When you ready to do the final assembly, put a little grease on the shoulders of the cartridge so that the cups will seat easily. I hope this helps. Good luck.
10-02-08, 09:11 PM
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Thanks Merckx. I guess I could have been a little more clear with my initial posting in that I wasn't looking for instructions but to hear about any snags that people ran into during installation and ways to avoid those. I figured a forum might be a good place for the discussion but oh well. Thanks guys.
10-02-08, 10:15 PM
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I make a mix of blue locktite (medium grip) and white grease, and I use this to hold the cups in place.
I find that later I can adjust the cups left and right as necessary, and the locktite/grease mixture continues to hold the cups where I left them.
Put the grease on the bike frame and the locktite on the cups.
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It helps enormously to have two installation tools.
You can do it with one, but, really, get two and save yourself a lot of hassle.
Two installation tools makes it possible to tighten the two cups towards each other, simultaneously, and this makes it easy to feel the cups squeezing against the bearing housing.
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I adjust left and right by counting the number of threads showing on each side.
Presently, on my frame/crank/sprocket setup, for a perfectly silent chain, I have one more thread showing on the right side than on the left.
I find that later I can adjust the cups left and right as necessary, and the locktite/grease mixture continues to hold the cups where I left them.
Put the grease on the bike frame and the locktite on the cups.
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It helps enormously to have two installation tools.
You can do it with one, but, really, get two and save yourself a lot of hassle.
Two installation tools makes it possible to tighten the two cups towards each other, simultaneously, and this makes it easy to feel the cups squeezing against the bearing housing.
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I adjust left and right by counting the number of threads showing on each side.
Presently, on my frame/crank/sprocket setup, for a perfectly silent chain, I have one more thread showing on the right side than on the left.
10-03-08, 10:28 AM
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Did you bother to read the page in question? Lets compare that page
https://velocio.com/Bikes/BBInstallation/
to Phils
https://www.philwood.com/pCrankbearingInst.htm
Now the tough part. Do you think the first page provides more information then the second. Further more, could the additional information be considered a tip or a hint? Something gained from experience?
Did the tips and hints need to be posted directly in this thread? Had I just copy and pasted the text from the Velocio page, would that have sufficed?
Perhaps if the OP had indicated in some manner that he had already performed a search of both the forums and the World Wide Web, we could have focused on documenting those anecdotal comments not already captured. Would have saved us countless bits of bandwidth.
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I never search and I don't expect others to search.
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Further, I rarely follow links but prefer to carry on a conversation here.
I don't mind talking about the same subject over and over again, especially since I learn something new each time.
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I never search and I don't expect others to search.
Further, I rarely follow links but prefer to carry on a conversation here.
I don't mind talking about the same subject over and over again, especially since I learn something new each time.
And, if I don't want to learn anything, I don't participate in the thread.
As for bandwidth, I don't feel too concerned about text bandwidth considering the amount of music and video that gets down and up loaded.
Further, I rarely follow links but prefer to carry on a conversation here.
I don't mind talking about the same subject over and over again, especially since I learn something new each time.
And, if I don't want to learn anything, I don't participate in the thread.
As for bandwidth, I don't feel too concerned about text bandwidth considering the amount of music and video that gets down and up loaded.
Next time I'll just copy and paste the contents of the web page...............
10-04-08, 10:23 AM
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i think i may have to disagree with those who say to mix loctite with grease. i've tried that method and my cups came loose after a week of use and 2 days at the track. i find the blue loctite just fine. you'll be able to move the cups around while adjusting as it takes about 24 hours for the loctite to cure and set.
2 tools like everybody says makes things much easier. since the cups are press fit, as you tighten the second cup, you'll notice that it will spin the opposite cup lightening or loosening the other side. having 2 will help you set the cups where you want them.
also make sure the threads in your shell are clean, i'd degrease them at minimum. i'd rechase the threads if you can. cross threading the shell is bad news.
2 tools like everybody says makes things much easier. since the cups are press fit, as you tighten the second cup, you'll notice that it will spin the opposite cup lightening or loosening the other side. having 2 will help you set the cups where you want them.
also make sure the threads in your shell are clean, i'd degrease them at minimum. i'd rechase the threads if you can. cross threading the shell is bad news.
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Why dont your mom just go away.
If u dont like Operator put him on your ignore list - try google or the search function or an ordinary map to find it..
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