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02-15-10, 07:15 AM
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02-15-10, 11:18 AM
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02-16-10, 06:50 PM
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02-16-10, 07:56 PM
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Tarck bike dot com
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Tell it to the guy who rides it
02-16-10, 08:05 PM
#2560
Still kicking.
There's people out there that don't want to cut the steerer in case if they sell the fork. This may be one of those cases.
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02-17-10, 12:30 AM
#2561
Comanche Racing
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02-17-10, 02:43 AM
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Hahahahaha!
There are even Keirin racers in Japan don't want Keirin bikes. They only ride them because they have to.
If your objective is to either:
A) Have a lighter bike
B) Have a stiffer bike
C) Win races aside from Keirins in Japan
Then a non-NJS bike might be for you!
As far as NJS goes, I can't see why anyone would want to pay so much for inferior technology and geometry.
Mongoose441, I challenge you to ride a full NJS bike then ride a comparably priced modern bike (clipless pedals and all) and get back to us. I race with guys that can literally afford any bike they want to race and none of them have NJS bikes.
There are even Keirin racers in Japan don't want Keirin bikes. They only ride them because they have to.
If your objective is to either:
A) Have a lighter bike
B) Have a stiffer bike
C) Win races aside from Keirins in Japan
Then a non-NJS bike might be for you!
As far as NJS goes, I can't see why anyone would want to pay so much for inferior technology and geometry.
Mongoose441, I challenge you to ride a full NJS bike then ride a comparably priced modern bike (clipless pedals and all) and get back to us. I race with guys that can literally afford any bike they want to race and none of them have NJS bikes.
the frames are good quality, and i'm pretty sure there's plenty of racers out there still using dura ace track hubs. maybe not at the most elite levels, but a low flange dura ace loose ball hub is old tech, but pretty solid.
people still race on square taper. outboard bearings are superior, but they don't seem real prevalent in the track market yet compared to square taper.
I don't race on track, don't plan to really, but if i were i don't think i'd be looking at steel bikes, njs or not. i'd be on CF or titanium probably. I support your argument that njs bikes are supremely overrated, but i mean if you can grab a vivalo or samson for $400 that's a solid deal atmo
02-17-10, 03:21 AM
#2565
shaken, not stirred.
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It's a lovely period Chater Lea chainring. A top of the line component in it's day.
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02-17-10, 04:04 AM
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technology i see, but i don't follow on an inferior njs geometry. as far as i know geometry isn't njs regulated.
the frames are good quality, and i'm pretty sure there's plenty of racers out there still using dura ace track hubs. maybe not at the most elite levels, but a low flange dura ace loose ball hub is old tech, but pretty solid.
people still race on square taper. outboard bearings are superior, but they don't seem real prevalent in the track market yet compared to square taper.
I don't race on track, don't plan to really, but if i were i don't think i'd be looking at steel bikes, njs or not. i'd be on CF or titanium probably. I support your argument that njs bikes are supremely overrated, but i mean if you can grab a vivalo or samson for $400 that's a solid deal atmo
the frames are good quality, and i'm pretty sure there's plenty of racers out there still using dura ace track hubs. maybe not at the most elite levels, but a low flange dura ace loose ball hub is old tech, but pretty solid.
people still race on square taper. outboard bearings are superior, but they don't seem real prevalent in the track market yet compared to square taper.
I don't race on track, don't plan to really, but if i were i don't think i'd be looking at steel bikes, njs or not. i'd be on CF or titanium probably. I support your argument that njs bikes are supremely overrated, but i mean if you can grab a vivalo or samson for $400 that's a solid deal atmo
I've also noticed (through first-hand experience or photos from events) that I can't recall seeing more that one or two NJS type bikes at events among hundreds of others. And those few bikes were hipsters who were new to track racing.
Components that happen to pass NJS spec are dope. It's just the "all NJS" hype that doesn't make sense. I ride high-flange Dura Ace hubs and Dura Ace cranks, both NJS. I also have a NJS chain. There are several photos of Victoria Pendleton (UKs female star track cyclist) using Nitto 123 bars.
Folks gotta realize that NJS is to cycling is what restrictor plates are to auto racing. It's an equalizer.
02-17-10, 07:46 AM
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The C L stands for Chater Lea
Curly stays or forks, people love or hate them. But if you found one in an old barn next to that Corvette the son bought just before he went off to Vietnam and hasn't been driven since he brought it home from the dealer, you need to grab it.
Curly stays or forks, people love or hate them. But if you found one in an old barn next to that Corvette the son bought just before he went off to Vietnam and hasn't been driven since he brought it home from the dealer, you need to grab it.
02-17-10, 09:38 AM
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02-17-10, 07:18 PM
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I was talking about "all NJS" bikes that some folks are into. As far as geometry goes, NJS bikes seem to fit bigger with only a few inches of seatpost and downward stems. Modern bikes seem to be smaller while using longer seatposts and upward or straight stems. I don't technically what's going on, but that's what I've noticed.
I've also noticed (through first-hand experience or photos from events) that I can't recall seeing more that one or two NJS type bikes at events among hundreds of others. And those few bikes were hipsters who were new to track racing.
Components that happen to pass NJS spec are dope. It's just the "all NJS" hype that doesn't make sense. I ride high-flange Dura Ace hubs and Dura Ace cranks, both NJS. I also have a NJS chain. There are several photos of Victoria Pendleton (UKs female star track cyclist) using Nitto 123 bars.
Folks gotta realize that NJS is to cycling is what restrictor plates are to auto racing. It's an equalizer.
I've also noticed (through first-hand experience or photos from events) that I can't recall seeing more that one or two NJS type bikes at events among hundreds of others. And those few bikes were hipsters who were new to track racing.
Components that happen to pass NJS spec are dope. It's just the "all NJS" hype that doesn't make sense. I ride high-flange Dura Ace hubs and Dura Ace cranks, both NJS. I also have a NJS chain. There are several photos of Victoria Pendleton (UKs female star track cyclist) using Nitto 123 bars.
Folks gotta realize that NJS is to cycling is what restrictor plates are to auto racing. It's an equalizer.
I know i've shown my bike before, it's got some funky ass geometry. It's a touch small for me too which is a shame, but it works.
and victoria needs to get herself some black ano 123's coz matchy match. unfortunately black isn't an njs approved finish
