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Old 08-27-09, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PedallingATX
So because a lot of people like those lugs that means they must be good looking to everyone? I think they are hideous. Also, many great track bikes didn't use those lugs. More high end track bikes are built with normal or no lugs than those which are built w/ nervex lugs. Besides, even if every good track bike used those lugs they would still be hideous to me.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you have bad taste =X. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by trelhak
Nothing wrong with not liking lugged frames. Lugged frames, however, both generally require a good deal more work and create a more pleasing, complex shape than a TIG-welded frame. (Fillet-brazed frames are purely gorgeous, but are also rarer.)

Once the builder has gone through the meticulous filing, cutting, fitting, brazing, more filing, thinning, more filing process and he or she has done a good job of it, you something very special on your hands, that someone spent a lot of time on. Not only that, it's very easy to screw up, resulting in something that's functional, but ugly. (Look at some of some Peugeot frames that are made with no artistry, but are nearly indestructible.)
Simple lugs can be beautiful... especially when you consider that this frame was built freehand with no jigs, has no file marks, and the joints are as perfect as they get.

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99% of the time I prefer simple lugs over all other variations. Curlicues and anything ornate just irritate the hell out of me. Can't get into it. Give me simple pointed lugs, or maybe webbed if I'm feeling kinky.
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Old 08-27-09, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
Simple lugs can be beautiful... especially when you consider that this frame was built freehand with no jigs, has no file marks, and the joints are as perfect as they get.


mmm Shimano 600 arabesque.
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Sweet. I love old ads. A Super Record hubset on GP4 rims makes for a pretty heavy-duty wheel.
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The paintjob is what is so bad about that frame. The orange just jumps out too much and that stem only makes it worse. Those lugs with an all blue frame with a lighter blue luglining would look really nice or even just an all blue frame.
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Originally Posted by veganwar
The paintjob is what is so bad about that frame. The orange just jumps out too much and that stem only makes it worse. Those lugs with an all blue frame with a lighter blue luglining would look really nice or even just an all blue frame.

definitely! that bike would look so much better with a silver stem to match the seatpost and the cranks
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Originally Posted by Matterbator
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you have bad taste =X. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
You are wrong.

I don't want my lugs to look like the lacing on my grandmother's bra. Yes, I am getting therapy for being a gma-philiac. But, w/e, we all have our vices.
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Old 08-27-09, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rudetay
Pegoretti builds mostly in aluminum, so it's not exactly a direct comparison, TIG welds on steel better look better than a row of quarters. He also builds with both TIG and lugs in steel.
You sure? Since 1997 he's never had more than one model made of aluminum in his lineup. The same goes with lugged frames. He builds a lugged frame as a tribute to his teacher, but his best frames are all TIG'ed steel.

A good TIG-welded joint looks like a row of quarters, flopped over, no matter what material you're working with. Small and tidy, with the puddles evenly sized and spaced.

ref.: The work of Brent Steelman



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Old 08-27-09, 08:11 PM
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maybe a clean weld looks like a stack of quarters. A weld can still hold up just as well and not be as pretty.
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Originally Posted by ianjk
planning on riding that to the renaissance festival?
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Originally Posted by Fugazi Dave
99% of the time I prefer simple lugs over all other variations. Curlicues and anything ornate just irritate the hell out of me. Can't get into it. Give me simple pointed lugs, or maybe webbed if I'm feeling kinky.
for a minute i thought i was going crazy. those curly lugs look good on some bikes, like a curly stays hetchins or an older bike, but they're just too over the top on most bikes. it looks like lace doilies on plastic covered furniture, it doesn't look fast and racy. it's overly ornamental


now this is some sexy lugging
https://cgi.ebay.com/Web-Lugged-3rens...d=p3286.c0.m14
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Old 08-27-09, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by trelhak
You sure? Since 1997 he's never had more than one model made of aluminum in his lineup. The same goes with lugged frames. He builds a lugged frame as a tribute to his teacher, but his best frames are all TIG'ed steel.

A good TIG-welded joint looks like a row of quarters, flopped over, no matter what material you're working with. Small and tidy, with the puddles evenly sized and spaced.

Erggg, you're totally right, not sure what I was thinking about Pegoretti, my apologies.

I actually own a Steelman, and once the paint is over it, those welds are so smooth you'd never know, that's why I was saying I'd want better from an expert.
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Originally Posted by ianjk
mmm Shimano 600 arabesque.
They are temps... am waiting for some vintage Campy dt shifters.
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wojcik weld

term I always heard growing up from welder/fabricators was, "like a stack of nickels".

"best looking" TIG welds I have seen so far are from Ted Wojcik.
my Steelman frame welds are very nice also.

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Not so porny but you've got to respect the old school;

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Originally Posted by psirue
planning on riding that to the renaissance festival?
Actually, if I had the time off from work, I'd go for the 400+ mile round trip to Ren-Fest...

I guess it is a personal thing, but hand-made bikes like the Waterfords I posted are 100x cooler than any mass produced Taiwanese bike out there.*

Guess I am just old...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford_Precision_Cycles

some day I will have one built.



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little video pron:

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Originally Posted by spcialzdspksman
I agree. I think this thread sadly lacks this kind of post.

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Originally Posted by tramnineteen
I agree. I think this thread sadly lacks this kind of post.
Sad in a way, but do remember: we are lucky to have around what few female posters actually frequent this board. I can look up pinup (and worse) any time I like; maintaining a female presence on SSFG is a bit trickier. I'd rather not alienate anyone.
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