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Old 03-16-04, 01:40 PM   #1
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Vanilla Bicycles

Was poking around Momovelo and noticed he now carries Vanilla...then went to their site and saw some very nice eye candy. Has anyone here seen/ridden one? It's: http://www.vanillabicycles.com/
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Old 03-16-04, 01:42 PM   #2
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They're locally made in Portland. I haven't ridden one, but they've got a good local reputation, and I've seen one up close. Very pretty.
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from what i heard from kai when he was working the deal out, momovelo is the ONLY bike shop distributor of vanilla frames now. and they were working together to come up with something unique for the shop. like a city bike with disc brakes and some other crazy ideas. whatever it looks like, it'll be beautiful and original.
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vanilla... mmmm...
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i was trying to work out how to make a trackbike ss/fg type thing with disks... but didn't get much further than that thought.

i really need to learn how to braze.

or alternatively, move continent and buy whatever vanilla dn momovelo are cooking up.

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"i was trying to work out how to make a trackbike ss/fg type thing with disks... but didn't get much further than that thought."

I thought about that too. easiest way would
be to get a cyclocross fork with disc tabs.
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I thought about that too. easiest way would
be to get a cyclocross fork with disc tabs.
and how hard would it be to get someone to braze a canti stud onto a [steel] track frame?


wait a minute... did i just have a viable idea? [if only i had a steel frame lying about to experiment on...]


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and how hard would it be to get someone to braze a canti stud onto a [steel] track frame?


wait a minute... did i just have a viable idea? [if only i had a steel frame lying about to experiment on...]


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Why in gods name would you want to add all that weight to the already perfect track bike frame? Other than for an exercise in mechanical nonsense.
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i get off on subversion...

[thinking about it... a rear brake is probably overkill. stick with the cyclocross fork idea.]

[but that linkage is techy wank-fodder]

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Why in gods name would you want to add all that weight to the already perfect track bike frame? Other than for an exercise in mechanical nonsense.
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Crack, crystal meth, and speedball.

All in succession.
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Crack, crystal meth, and speedball.

All in succession.
skunk, absinth, shrooms.
repeat until you need to call [hopefully sober] aquaintences to check if sane people still exist.

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To much money for me to chain up to a fence, hammer through town.

perhaps I'm to practical, or poor.
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skunk, absinth, shrooms.
repeat until you need to call [hopefully sober] aquaintences to check if sane people still exist.

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Those aren't reasons, they're excuses. There is a difference. The reason explains the process. The excuse begs forgiveness.

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reason:
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get off on subversion...techy wank-fodder
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Crack, crystal meth, and speedball.
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skunk, absinth, shrooms.
i hope that clarifies things.

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i hope that clarifies things.

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A case of way to much money and not enough restraint.

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it's not like i have
[a] the frame [or any of the associated parts - canti boss, disc brake bits etc].
[b] the associated money to rectify that situation.

so tragically, the paul components site will remain as pornography in a metaphor that should probably feature a comparison to sex...

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it's not like i have
[a] the frame [or any of the associated parts - canti boss, disc brake bits etc].
[b] the associated money to rectify that situation.

so tragically, the paul components site will remain as pornography in a metaphor that should probably feature a comparison to sex...

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The internet is responsible for more bike lust than any 10 magazines. I fall victim myself. Sometimes I find myself oggling a Fat Tubed Aluminum Track Bike which is in direct opposition to all my avowed prejudices.
Stop me before I cave in and order one and then hate myself in the mourning.


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Stop me before I cave in and order one and then hate myself in the mourning.
freudian slip or deliberate?

nice word play if it was...

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freudian slip or deliberate?

nice word play if it was...

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Sometimes I find myself oggling a Fat Tubed Aluminum Track Bike which is in direct opposition to all my avowed prejudices.
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Funny, I rode a mutli speed alm this morning, and am considering a al frame track bike now.

Love how all the power goes to the pedals.

Hate how jittery it is on corners.
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Funny, I rode a mutli speed alm this morning, and am considering a al frame track bike now.

Love how all the power goes to the pedals.

Hate how jittery it is on corners.
some of the faults with alum bikes that I have are:

The welds are usually crude at best.
I understand there is a longevity question with accumulated fatigue failure.
I can live with the harsh ride; does the name Cinelli Olympic ring a bell?
Most of the alum frames use some form of the Threadless headset system.

All that being said, I have never owned one but sometimes, in the dark of night, after too much time on the computer, and a long winter stretch of snow, I come across one on a website and go, Hmm, that's interesting. Then I stop myself and say, What would the lugged gods say if you forced one of those modern evil creatures to abide in their realm in the basement. I know at that point it is time to shut it down until the cold clear light of day comes again and I can think clearly. But Then......


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some of the faults with alum bikes that I have are:

The welds are usually crude at best.
Cannondale's are pretty clean. Better than the specialized I saw. Not lugged, but nonetheless, somewhat pleasing if you're into asthetics. (I understand the asthetic push, but it's not practical for me.).

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I understand there is a longevity question with accumulated fatigue failure.
I spent some time looking for proof of this. I've found little to none. Pretty even with steel. A bike magazine did an article on this lately.
My fear is how thin the tubes are in relation to locking it up. A dent, and it's done.

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I can live with the harsh ride; does the name Cinelli Olympic ring a bell?
Tell me more, I'm looking for info on something that doesn't get wobbly under my wieght and hammering. Really.


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Most of the alum frames use some form of the Threadless headset system.
I'm an ametuer at bikes, so either way, doesn't bother me. Yet.

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All that being said, I have never owned one but sometimes, in the dark of night, after too much time on the computer, and a long winter stretch of snow, I come across one on a website and go, Hmm, that's interesting. Then I stop myself and say, What would the lugged gods say if you forced one of those modern evil creatures to abide in their realm in the basement. I know at that point it is time to shut it down until the cold clear light of day comes again and I can think clearly. But Then......


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I could trade you my C'dale, put one of those eccentric hubs on it, there you go.
Trade for the cinelli?
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A case of way to much money and not enough restraint.

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Said the man with umpteen fixed gear bikes in his garage...and a dedicated van to cart them around in.

It's the jealousy talking--again.
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With regards to frame life:

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I spent some time looking for proof of this. I've found little to none. Pretty even with steel. A bike magazine did an article on this lately.
Do a web search: 'bicycle metallurgy' All materials have a "fatigue limit" spec. For Al and carbon fiber, the fatigue limit is almost zero which means: If you ride it ... it will fail eventually. Of course that still could take years. Steel an Ti have very high fatigue limits.

With regards to frame stiffnes (ie power transfer to pedals):

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Tell me more, I'm looking for info on something that doesn't get wobbly under my wieght and hammering. Really.
William, have you had the opportunity to ride a modern steel frame like Tru-Temper OX Platinum preferrably with oversized tubing? I think you'd be pleasantly surprised. I believe your Bianchi is older and may have alot more flex (do to the tubing diameter and alloy).

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