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Old 10-17-08, 03:34 PM   #1
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Obscure Question

Was looking on Ben's cycles at the Milwaukee, cream city frame. I called up and asked if there was toe overlap with the front wheel. The guy told me that will happen with any bike with tight geometry and wheelbase. Since I have ridden track bikes with "tight geometry" before and not experienced this I figured he might have been assuming...

SO THE QUESTION IS has anyone ridden one of these and experienced that?
Looked at some threads and reviews didnt see anything.
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Old 10-17-08, 03:37 PM   #2
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Hey, I was wondering why this is an issue for you? also, what's your frame size?
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Obscure answer:

Well he's not totally off in that regard.

I have not ridden one of these frames (only drooled over them), but toe overlap has been beaten to death here. I think there is a modicum of truth to the idea that tight geo will increase your chance of overlap, but I would never not buy a bike because of toe overlap, I would just HTFU.
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I would be riding the 58. Yeah I mean obviously if you have a tight wheel base you have less room for your toes to clear. I just haven't ever had that problem and wouldn't really want to deal with it. Just seems like an inconvenience and when I could go pick up a bareknuckle that I have ridden before and not had that problem I would just do that to save a small amount of piece of mind.

Oh and couldn't it be a problem with track stands? I mean seeing how as I spend most of my time riding and not doing tricks and track stands it isn't that large of a problem, but could be annoying at lights.
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Old 10-17-08, 03:59 PM   #5
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Oh and couldn't it be a problem with track stands? I mean seeing how as I spend most of my time riding and not doing tricks and track stands it isn't that large of a problem, but could be annoying at lights.
Turn the wheel towards your forward foot.
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Oh and couldn't it be a problem with track stands? I mean seeing how as I spend most of my time riding and not doing tricks and track stands it isn't that large of a problem, but could be annoying at lights.
Or you can learn how to do trackstands with the wheel angled away form the foot that is forward. Or do it in the 12/6 position.
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Was looking on Ben's cycles at the Milwaukee, cream city frame. I called up and asked if there was toe overlap with the front wheel. The guy told me that will happen with any bike with tight geometry and wheelbase. Since I have ridden track bikes with "tight geometry" before and not experienced this I figured he might have been assuming...
He is entirely correct.
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what 'track geometry' frame are you using now that doesn't have overlap? just curious...
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i get toe overlap on my iro at low speeds, but i'm usually not moving that slow for long so it's never been a problem.
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i get toe overlap on my iro at low speeds, but i'm usually not moving that slow for long so it's never been a problem.
I only ever get it when I'm out of my clips, and even then I always realize it's because my foot is too far forward on the pedal.

But IROs don't really have track geo anyway, so it's kind of a moot point.
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Your crank arm length would also play a major role in the whole toe overlap thing too.
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what 'track geometry' frame are you using now that doesn't have overlap? just curious...
For the record on this subject for what it's worth, none of my track bikes have overlap. 59 cm Pista Concept w/170mm cranks. 59cm Vivalo w/165mm. 59cm Pake w/170. Neither with clipless nor XL metal clips on any of the lot. I wear a 12-13 US shoe, a 47-48 cycling shoe. If you're tall like the OP, there are plenty of frames without overlap out there.
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part of riding fixed gear is learning how to time your maneuvers according to your pedal position...i've learned to make hairpin turns while my outside foot is at 6 o'clock which gives me at least 270 degrees of pedal rotation before i have to worry about toe overlap...

so quit *****in...fixed gear bikes are the dominatrixes of the bike world...giving up the ability to coast is an act of submission...skidding is just the safety word...so learn how to work with it or else give it up go ride a freewheel...
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i get toe overlap on my iro at low speeds, but i'm usually not moving that slow for long so it's never been a problem.
then why let it discourage you from an awesome frame???
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