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    Ken Kifer

    Not a fixie but somebody I wish I had the opportunity to sit down and talk shop with. I think he probably could have related to the fixie thing. I also think he could have taught a lot of us a great many things.
    http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/lifestyle/newbike.htm

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    Wow... I hadn't read the news groups much in the last 6 months so I missed the news that he had been killed. His site was great... Its a damn shame.

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    I remember the name Ken Kifer, but I cannot recall from what publication first brought his influence to me. That he should be killed by a drunk driver, released hours before, after being held for 12 hours for DUI and violation of the open container law, is just abhorant. They should take that (what else!) 29-year old male in a pick-up truck, and ....well! it's improper to go there, Ken Kifer was a Thoreau deciple.

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    They should take that (what else!) 29-year old male in a pick-up truck
    As a 30-year old pick up driving, fixie riding, bike mechanicing individual I feel obligated to say it is the behavior of the individual, not the vehicle that is the problem. A drunk 40-year old in a Toyota Prius could have inflicted just as much damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superchivo
    As a 30-year old pick up driving, fixie riding, bike mechanicing individual I feel obligated to say it is the behavior of the individual, not the vehicle that is the problem. A drunk 40-year old in a Toyota Prius could have inflicted just as much damage.
    I agree, but it does seem that the more "Macho" type is often responsible for the above type of death. Not always, but often enough for me to fear Pickup truck driving, beer can tossing, cowboy types than anybody driving a Toyota Prius. Maybe I'm stereotyping, but that's consistent with my stereotype experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixedgearhead
    Not always, but often enough for me to fear Pickup truck driving, beer can tossing, cowboy types than anybody driving a Toyota Prius. Maybe I'm stereotyping, but that's consistent with my stereotype experience.
    Interestingly, I've actually witnessed superchivo throw beer cans at unsuspecting (yet deserving) Prius drivers whilst driving his pick-up. That boy has got a wicked sky hook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixedgearhead
    current teetotaler for over 20 years
    Cool.

    I hit 20 years just 2 weeks ago.

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    How far gone though, do you have to be to run into a cyclist head on. More than likely, if it didn't happen at an intersection, the driver was off by 10 feet. I could see it happen with both going in the same direction, but assuming some evasive action by the cyclist, that driver was way off. Two lives wasted for what point? Nothing against 29 year olds or half tons, I was there once myself, but the behavior is symptomatic of a type of person-the vegan female postmasters do not fall into that profile.

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    How did you guys change the subject into truckdrivers are rednecks?

    That sucks about him dying, when I first started commuting I read his webpage and it was inspirational.

    At least they got the charge right, murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixedgearhead
    I agree, but it does seem that the more "Macho" type is often responsible for the above type of death.
    Let's try this again:
    I agree, but it does seem that the more "IGNORANT AND INCONSIDERATE" type is often responsible for the above type of death.
    Hell, calling someone "macho" driving drunk is an offense to the word Schiek and Superchivo have dedicated their lives too.

    Main Entry: 1ma·cho
    Pronunciation: 'mä-(")chO
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: Spanish, literally, male, from Latin masculus -- more at MASCULINE
    : characterized by machismo : aggressively virile

    there is nothing masculine about killing someone while driving drunk. If anything, it is a true act of cowardice.
    Just my 2 cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by 165-48:17
    Let's try this again:
    I agree, but it does seem that the more "IGNORANT AND INCONSIDERATE" type is often responsible for the above type of death.
    Hell, calling someone "macho" driving drunk is an offense to the word Schiek and Superchivo have dedicated their lives too.

    Main Entry: 1ma·cho
    Pronunciation: 'mä-(")chO
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: Spanish, literally, male, from Latin masculus -- more at MASCULINE
    : characterized by machismo : aggressively virile

    there is nothing masculine about killing someone while driving drunk. If anything, it is a true act of cowardice.
    Just my 2 cents
    Reread my post.
    Note the use of the word Stereotype.
    Look up the work stereotype.
    Hopefully understand it's application.
    Nuff said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fixedgearhead
    Reread my post.
    Note the use of the word Stereotype.
    Look up the work stereotype.
    Hopefully understand it's application.
    Nuff said.


    fixedgearhead
    Okay, way to be. Here's your cookie. Please note the line about Superchivo and Schiek...that should have been enough of a tag for you know that this had nothing to do with you fixedgearhead.
    Nuff said
    (oddly enough, when I was looking up stereotype, I found a word for you to check out: sarcasm. You'll enjoy it once you understand it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 165-48:17
    Okay, way to be. Here's your cookie. Please note the line about Superchivo and Schiek...that should have been enough of a tag for you know that this had nothing to do with you fixedgearhead.
    Nuff said
    (oddly enough, when I was looking up stereotype, I found a word for you to check out: sarcasm. You'll enjoy it once you understand it)
    I love sarcasm, I am often guilty of it. Well, maybe not guilty, just a participant in the process. I was under the impression that it was directed to me and that was the only reason I responded. I still think my response was pertinent. Sigh! Just another example of my generational misunderstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixedgearhead
    I love sarcasm, I am often guilty of it. Well, maybe not guilty, just a participant in the process. I was under the impression that it was directed to me and that was the only reason I responded. I still think my response was pertinent. Sigh! Just another example of my generational misunderstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 165-48:17
    "macho"...the word Schiek and Superchivo have dedicated their lives too.

    Main Entry: 1ma·cho
    Pronunciation: 'mä-(")chO

    aggressively virile
    My wife can attest to this. She's due in July.
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    With who's kid?
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    Yeah, I'm still pretty.

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    I love it when I start the day laughing

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucklust
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    If she's a little "off" and falls down a lot...then I'll start getting suspicious.
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    A new reality series (even though I actively oppose reality) Put the members of this forum into a tubes up bike shop/framebuilder shop, turn on the camera and let the sparks fly. Maybe we could use WK's Wonder Bread factory and the revenue from the show could finance his dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schiek
    If she's a little "off" and falls down a lot...then I'll start getting suspicious.
    Or if the baby looks like this
    Yeah, I'm still pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucklust
    Or if the baby looks like this
    That's funny. nice.
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