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Old 10-19-08, 02:07 PM   #1
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track geo is easier to skid with?

Okey, ive been trying to figure that out for a while now. I got a 80's roady frame, Nishiki. its nice, its just as tight as a track frame, but...

Every time i try a real track frame its a different story. track frames skid so much easier,is it because of the head tube angle?

I tried my friend maddison and my other buddies pista. All you gotta do is lean just a bit forward its like butter, while my frame is tons of fun to ride but its a bit of a drag to try to skid on it.

Can some one open my eyes on it?

My guess its the head tube angle that makes all the difference.

Heres my frame:

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Old 10-19-08, 02:12 PM   #2
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fork rake, headtube angle, and a big dose of placebo
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Old 10-19-08, 02:25 PM   #3
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thats what it seems to be to me as well. Infact my fork was pretty close to that maddison fork, so im thinking its the headtube angle the most.

i gotta still try the placebo
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Old 10-19-08, 02:35 PM   #4
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Seat tube angle also factors in. It's not a placebo at all, it's because more of your weight is already forward thanks to the inherent geometry of the frame. Seated skids on slack road conversions are knee busters, but on a track bike it comes easily.
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Also the shorter wheelbase of a track bike allows you to shift the weight bias forward with relative less body language.
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Old 10-19-08, 06:30 PM   #6
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Also the shorter wheelbase of a track bike allows you to shift the weight bias forward with relative less body language.
damn when i move my body only speaks english.
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My question: How's that bell on the seatpost workin out? Doesn't seem very user friendly.
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damn when i move my body only speaks english.
what does it speak when you're stationary?
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Also what gearing are your friends bikes running? Cause they might be running lower gearing compared to yours making it easier to skid.
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Old 10-19-08, 11:43 PM   #10
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Also what gearing are your friends bikes running? Cause they might be running lower gearing compared to yours making it easier to skid.
i got 47 18, i live on the hill.

the bikes ive tried where 48 16, 47 16, so it should be harder
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I got a 80's roady frame, Nishiki. its nice, its just as tight as a track frame, but...

Every time i try a real track frame its a different story.
So, this would lead me to conclude that your Nishiki's geometry is not 'as tight as a track frame'.

Oh, but I actually like how you put your bell on the seatpost.
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Old 10-20-08, 02:56 AM   #12
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It's also easier to get laid with a track geo too

Next Project: top tube bell array, one button, 12 bells.
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Old 10-20-08, 03:40 AM   #13
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Def easier, def easier
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yeah you guessed it . track is mostly steeper angles that allow more weight forward.....So, well ,, skids flow
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thanks everyone, my assumptions are now confirmed.
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fork rake, headtube angle, and a big dose of placebo
+1 It shouldn't be THAT much harder to get it done on your bike.
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i've found that this setup gives you the best leverage for skids.

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Old 10-20-08, 07:14 PM   #18
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+1 It shouldn't be THAT much harder to get it done on your bike.

fork yes, but angle, i dont think i can change it....

i got a frok from a firend feels much better.



ps. dont mind my blewn tire and a broket cage.
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i meant it shouldn't be that much harder to skid on your road frame than a track frame and that it was probably mostly a placebo effect.
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Old 10-20-08, 10:46 PM   #20
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Sorry, english secong language, what does exactly placebo do in this case?
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^ OMG too perfect.
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lol what?
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Placebo mean you "think" its easier to skid because youre on a track frame. When in reality its the exact same, but because you think itll be easier on a track frame, it is.
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Old 10-21-08, 08:39 AM   #24
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i see, well i tried the track frames and it seems easier, alot. Acutally the new fork really helped me out but still, track seems alot better.
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