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Old 10-20-08, 08:32 PM   #1
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Is this seat angle ridiculous?

I've had this stupid saddle for about 2-3 months, and have not been able to get a comfortable fit on it. It fits my sit bones, but the ol' periostenum feels like it's being sodomized with a rake. It only started to bother me within the past 2 weeks, I think it's broken in enough to start agitation, so I've started to point the nose down a little at a time to see if it will help relieve pressure from the goods/periostenum. It has, however, gotten to the point of looking ridiculous in my opinion. I have a feeling it's time for a new saddle. Here's the new position:


Does that look to be too much of an angle? I'll be riding it again tomorrow (commuter) so we'll see what happens. Definitely taking the wrench with me, just in case. Here's another one with me on it for what it's worth:

Why do I look like I have a badonkadonk? And I just realized how far back I have myself positioned. I may not last long with this position tomorrow.
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Old 10-20-08, 08:36 PM   #2
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whatever is comfortable. yeah, it looks ********, but if it works for you, then who cares.
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Old 10-20-08, 08:39 PM   #3
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Yeah. Your ass is going to cover it anyway. So if you don't hurt anymore, then that's all that matters.
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Old 10-20-08, 08:42 PM   #4
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It's gotta be da shooz...
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Old 10-20-08, 08:42 PM   #5
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Get a wider seat.
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Yeah, saddles are one of those things. If your ass/groinal area still keeps bugging you I'd try a new saddle.

Just for curiosity's sake...you did start with the saddle level right, and when you adjusted it did you adjust slowly (like 1 notch at a time)?
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Old 10-20-08, 08:45 PM   #7
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Get a wider seat.
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Agree.
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Old 10-20-08, 08:59 PM   #8
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reach looks too far imo. Could be causeing you to lean more on your junkage, less on your ass.
maybe i am wrong though.
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Old 10-20-08, 09:01 PM   #9
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Uhm, I really don't know where to start, that is a really poorly set up bike.

Do all of the following in the order I have presented them to you

Lower the stem
Lower the seat
Make the seat parallel with the ground
Move the seat back one inch
Get road bars or wrap those bars you have, it will prevent you from sliding forward
Shorten the brake cable and housing
Take off the kickstand
Throw those shoes in the garbage
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Old 10-20-08, 09:01 PM   #10
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bike looks too small for you
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Old 10-20-08, 09:07 PM   #11
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send pix of your bike to pedal mafia. u'll fit right in!
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Old 10-20-08, 09:08 PM   #12
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yes that saddle angle is ridiculous

and your arms should not be locked

id be interested in seeing what your legs look like at the bottom of your stroke
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Old 10-20-08, 09:33 PM   #13
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Let me see if I can address some of the points brought up here:
Yes, the saddle was installed level and further back on the rails. Also Sanchez, if I were to lower the seat, I would not have a full pedal stroke. If I moved the seat back an inch, I wouldn't be anywhere close to having my leg over the pedal in any part of the stroke. The bars don't 'need' to be wrapped, they actually have quite a nice gripping surface and I'm poor until the end of the month. If I shorten the cable housing, the brakes bind since my levers are butted right up against the stem. And don't hate, the shoes are awesome. Your awesome-radar, however, is totally lame. I will look into lowering the stem if all else fails though, thanks.

Arms are locked because I'm leaning against a wall, and sliding forward on the seat (obviously a problem). I would say at the bottom of a stroke, my leg is about 80% extended. I'm contemplating a new seatpost (infinite adjustment) and would like to get a longer one. Probably an indication of a poor fitting bike, but I'm just barely short (.5-1") of where the height would feel most comfortable.

I'm not sure a wider seat will do much. This one fits my sit bones perfectly, it's just the meaty part between them that is uncomfortable (periostenum I guess).

The bike may well be too small for me, but to iterate, I am too strapped for cash to consider a whole new bike. A new saddle I can do. Also, aside from the saddle I find the bike very comfortable. The reach is a little far when I ride in the morning, being stiff from just waking up, but I can ride with my hands closer in too.

Sorry about the convoluted response, I tried to respond to the comments with respect to who replied. I have basically confirmed my suspicions that this seat angle is going to be goofy as hell. Thanks to all who replied, and if you have any more comments I welcome them.
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Old 10-20-08, 09:36 PM   #14
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if your saddle has to be positioned like that for it to be comfortable, it isnt actually comfortable

go to a LBS, sit on some stuff if you can. unfortunately, saddles are kind of a try-till-you-like thing
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Old 10-20-08, 09:51 PM   #15
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whatever is comfortable. yeah, it looks ********, but if it works for you, then who cares.
no. ****ing not whatever is comfortable. that saddle angle is a baaaad choice, as it puts far too much strain on your hands and wrists. a new saddle is definitely needed if it's that uncomfortable, probably one with an anatomical cutout.
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Old 10-20-08, 10:06 PM   #16
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my god that is a monstrosity...

First of all, lose the shoes and the toe clips and either get platforms or clipless, then kick the kickstand.

After you get past that, find different bars, maybe even regular drop bars because your reach is too far, your elbows have no bend in them. Angling your seat down isn't doing you any good...Angling it up a tiny bit above parallel will actually give you the relief you are looking for.

Lastly if none of that works, you are too stretched out on your bike and need to buy a new bike otherwise you can say goodbye to that nerve cluster and any sensation in your little friend.
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Old 10-20-08, 10:41 PM   #17
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I'm not sure a wider seat will do much. This one fits my sit bones perfectly, it's just the meaty part between them that is uncomfortable (periostenum I guess).

Thanks to all who replied, and if you have any more comments I welcome them.
If you can't be comfortable at a reasonable angle it is the wrong saddle for you. There is more than one saddle in the sea.

There are also other shoes...
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Old 10-20-08, 10:51 PM   #18
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Bar tape is under $10 and it will make a huge difference but, whatevs. If that bike were in front of me I could get it sorted out for you in 20 minutes flat. The stem is probably past the minimum insertion point, be careful.
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I honestly dont see the huge deal with the shoes. He has foot retention so he doesnt need to stick with cycling specific shoes right? dont knock him on style when he comes asking for fit questions. I would also recomend another seat if that is really the only comfortable angle you can find.

One major indication that your seat fit is wrong is the slipping. I used to have that problem with my seat level and then I moved it foward the tiniest amount and put it level, instant fix.
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my god that is a monstrosity...

First of all, lose the shoes and the toe clips and either get platforms or clipless, then kick the kickstand.

After you get past that, find different bars, maybe even regular drop bars because your reach is too far, your elbows have no bend in them. Angling your seat down isn't doing you any good...Angling it up a tiny bit above parallel will actually give you the relief you are looking for.

Lastly if none of that works, you are too stretched out on your bike and need to buy a new bike otherwise you can say goodbye to that nerve cluster and any sensation in your little friend.
did you seriously just recommend he get platform pedals?

pay no attention to anything this moron says, whether its right or not
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Just by the picture...

You are too far forward on the bike and should shorten that stem... you only have to lower it if you can handle a greater saddle to bar drop and remain comfortable as lowering the bars will put more stress on your hands / wrists.

Some of the really extreme saddle to bar drops I see here are pretty clear evidence that a bike is all show ands no go... folks who ride long distances tend to have more level set ups and being a little more upright on your commute is a good thing as you can see things better.

That saddle has to go... get one that is comfortable at a normal angle / position.

Love those shoes.
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Old 10-20-08, 11:45 PM   #22
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did you seriously just recommend he get platform pedals?

pay no attention to anything this moron says, whether its right or not
Actually, everything else he said it quite accurate. And the platforms or clipless comment is a good one too if he's running his bike as a single speed. Toe clips really do feel pretty junky after you run clipless for awhile.
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I have run clipless and prefer my old clips and straps... the only bike I run with clipless pedals now is my mountain bike.
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You mind telling me why you prefer clips/straps? The only positive that I have ever been able to come up with is the fact that you can wear different types of shoes.

Not being accusatory or snarky, just curious.
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Old 10-20-08, 11:52 PM   #25
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There's something about photos that brings out the Mr. Blackwell (r.i.p.) in all of us. There is almost no useful advice to be had in this thread.
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