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Old 11-17-08, 09:26 AM   #1
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No brakes, no brains.

I keep seeing beautiful track bikes here, but a lot of them are being used without brakes.

Track bikes without brakes belong on the track.

Track bikes on the road without brakes belong to 2 classes of riders. Really slow guys who aren't going fast enough for the limitations of rear wheel braking to make a big difference, or half-witted poseurs who think they are cool dudes.

If you really think you can stop brakeless as quickly as you could with a front brake, please stop smoking what you're smoking, and read up on some basic physics.

On the other hand, maybe the brakeless track bike is a way to cull the idiots on our roads before they get enough money for a car.

There is a simple way to test this to everyone's satisfaction.

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Old 11-17-08, 09:30 AM   #2
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Wow, this is an entirely new topic on the SSFG forum! I never thought anyone would weigh in with an opinion one way or the other! Thanks, datako!
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Old 11-17-08, 09:33 AM   #3
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Don't be a hater. We won't make fun of your brake. Skills and technique, you either have it or don't.
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I ride with a front brake, but I would like to go brakeless because I prefer rims/wheels with non-machined sidewalls.

Problem is, I bike way too fast to go brakeless, not that I really bike that fast. With urban commuting though, I find I have to make a lot of quick stops, or I have to be quick to take advantage of gaps between cars. In Atlanta, people drive their cars extremely aggressively and I can't imagine being as nimble as I am without my front brake.

Still, http://www.thebikebiz.com/H_Son_Rim_p/trk-rm-hs01.htm ...

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Stop posting this crap.
Brakes are a good idea,
But this thread is not.
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I ride with a front brake, but I would like to go brakeless because I prefer rims/wheels with non-machined sidewalls.

Problem is, I bike way too fast to go brakeless, not that I really bike that fast. With urban commuting though, I find I have to make a lot of quick stops, or I have to be quick to take advantage of gaps between cars. In Atlanta, people drive their cars extremely aggressively and I can't imagine being as nimble as I am without my front brake.

Still, http://www.thebikebiz.com/H_Son_Rim_p/trk-rm-hs01.htm ...

Just get the set with a braking surface (SL42) direct from H+.
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Yes. Are they hard to obtain though? I had a hell of a time just finding THOSE.

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Yes. Are they hard to obtain though? I had a hell of a time just finding THOSE.

http://hplusson.com/

Just e-mail him for a quote.
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Thanks for the info!!!
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No problemo.

Also did anyone like my haiku?
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great thread.... u think of this topic all by yourself?
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...Skills and technique, you either have it or don't.
That's what worries me. The laws of physics are not overcome by your statement, or to put it another way, skills and technique do not overcome momentum as well as a good front brake.

I don't hate fixies, I think they are beautiful. I am concerned about the impressionable young loons who get sucked into the cool dude ideology of brakelessness, and end up in wheelchairs.

If you really believe that your skills and technique are superior, there's a simple test.

Get a rider with a fixie and front brake, find a nice flat stretch, draw a line in the road. Now get the rider to hit this line at 25mph and stop as quickly as possible. Park a car 2 feet past where the rider stopped. Now repeat the experiment with a skilled and technique enabled brakeless rider.

Please post the resulting video here so that we unenlightened believers in the laws of physics may be enlightened by the results of skill and technique
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That's what worries me. The laws of physics are not overcome by your statement, or to put it another way, skills and technique do not overcome momentum as well as a good front brake.

I don't hate fixies, I think they are beautiful. I am concerned about the impressionable young loons who get sucked into the cool dude ideology of brakelessness, and end up in wheelchairs.

If you really believe that your skills and technique are superior, there's a simple test.

Get a rider with a fixie and front brake, find a nice flat stretch, draw a line in the road. Now get the rider to hit this line at 25mph and stop as quickly as possible. Park a car 2 feet past where the rider stopped. Now repeat the experiment with a skilled and technique enabled brakeless rider.

Please post the resulting video here so that we unenlightened believers in the laws of physics may be enlightened by the results of skill and technique
The technique is: go really really slow, or ride at a velodrome?
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Also did anyone like my haiku?
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Stop posting this crap.
Brakes are a good idea,
But this thread is not.
You're one syllable short of a haiku.
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Old 11-17-08, 10:45 AM   #16
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The technique is: go really really slow, or ride at a velodrome?
Yep, that is how I see it too. I ride a lot slower on my track bike because I don't have brakes, it just makes more sense. It would make a lot of sense for me to put brakes on my track bike but I have 4 other bikes with brakes, I ride one of them if I need to go fast.
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TBH, even though I ride with brakes, I try and not use them as much as possible. Mostly just to build the skill of brakeless stopping. I just like having the OPTION to use a brake, in cases where I wanna go fast or where some idiot in front of me slams on his brakes. If I rode brakeless, I would not have this option.
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Old 11-17-08, 11:06 AM   #18
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i like brakes. i also hate dealing with them and them being adjusted and stuff.
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Old 11-17-08, 11:21 AM   #19
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You're one syllable short of a haiku.
I was thinking that too. 5-6-5 is not a haiku
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But wasn't it 5-7-5?

BRAKES (1) ARE (2) A (3) GOOD (4) i-DE-a (5, 6, 7)

Idea has 3 syllables, according to the Oxford English Dictionary on my Mac, so this is a bona fide haiku at least according to one source.
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I was thinking that too. 5-6-5 is not a haiku
I thought it was fine, maybe it's a Canadian pronunciation thing? I read the last word in line 2 as 3 distinct syllables: eye-dee-uh.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by an American (with a british dictionary)

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This has been repeated over and over, but for the record, to each his own, this stuff, "No brakes, no brains." and "Skills and technique, you either have it or don't." is total BS, thats the kind of **** little kids argue about. Its like this > I ride with brakes, you ride without, lets go out for a ride and enjoy the day If you feel Im lower/better because I use/dont use brakes then go find someone else to ride with
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I thought it was fine, maybe it's a Canadian pronunciation thing? I read the last word in line 2 as 3 distinct syllables: eye-dee-uh.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by an American (with a british dictionary)
Ha! I should have clarified, it's the Oxford American Dictionary. My bad! D:
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I dont know which is worse...
The people who post this garbage or the mods that let this crap stay posted.
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Old 11-17-08, 11:57 AM   #25
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i was riding my road bike down the hill from UC santa cruz... passed some guy on a new track bike with no brakes, he was struggling to go 15mph meanwhile i was having a blast doing 30... maybe no brakes = don't like to go fast or have fun? most of 'em just ride their fixies to the bar anyways..

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the real reason, too difficult to use a brake!

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