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Old 12-01-08, 06:44 PM   #1
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tied & soldered spokes...

...how many of you do this for your street fixed gears? I searched a little but the results only seemed to apply to track applications and bikes of a certain vintage. Anybody do this for daily street riding/commuting?
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Old 12-01-08, 07:09 PM   #2
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old technology, rarely used as far as i can tell... how many people here even build their own wheels would be a more popular question
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Old 12-01-08, 07:35 PM   #3
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According to Jobst Brandt, in The Bicycle Wheel (3rd Edition, page 76):

Spokes can be tied and soldered together with a fine wire at the places where they are interlaced. This practice was used on high-wheeled bicycles after the introduction of cross-laced spoking to prevent broken spokes from lashing about and causing a crash. These spokes could be over thirty inches long. This practice has been kept beyond its time as its original purpose has vanished. Its perpetuation has been justified by claims that it increases wheel strength.

Measurements and computations both show that there is no change in lateral stiffness, torsional stiffness, or strength (in small- or large-flange wheels) between tied and untied spokes. Although crossed spokes fret and notch each other after prolonged use, restraining this motion does not cause any changes that can be measured. The only benefit of this tying and soldering is restraint of broken spokes. Otherwise the procedure has no value for road wheels and no value for track-racing wheels where it is still sometimes used.
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Old 12-01-08, 08:38 PM   #4
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The Schwinn Paramount track bikes had tied and soldered spokes if Im not mistaken?
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excellent quote dark
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I do
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^i just built my first set as well
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im approaching 50 wheelsets over the last two years.. wheeeee. tying and soldering is unecessary, as stated above. its a fun tradition, and kinda cool, but pointless in this era.

ive built a wooden wheelset, that was an interesting challenge.
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I've built my own wheels and tied and soldered a couple sets. On one of the sets I plowed my bike straight into a curb at 10 mph and blew the tube and bollocksed up the tire pretty bad, but the wheel was perfectly true. I don't know if it has anything to do with tying and soldering the wheel, but that's just what happened.

Sure looks cool, though.
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I am inclined to go with Jobst Brandt's view because of his engineering background, but just wanted to see/hear if anyone had done this on a bike with daily applications. Sounds like no on most counts. Still a cool idea...
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Built my first one a month or two ago, it's holding up fine now.

I plan on building all my own wheels from now on.
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i've built 8ish wheels in the last 3 years.
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anyone have pics of tying and soldering looking cool?
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I'm familiar with the Bicycle Wheel book, but last year I came across a bike with wheels that I had built and tied and soldered 25 years ago and then sold it. The guy who bought it, and still owns it, barely has the mechanical aptitude to tie his shoes let alone true a bike wheel. In 25 years he had never trued the wheels nor had them trued for him. I did some tuneups on his bike for him, but the wheels were still 100% perfect.
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ask him if he jumps curbs hahah
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old technology, rarely used as far as i can tell... how many people here even build their own wheels would be a more popular question

Yes, but it would be the subject of a different thread.

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I'm familiar with the Bicycle Wheel book, but last year I came across a bike with wheels that I had built and tied and soldered 25 years ago and then sold it. The guy who bought it, and still owns it, barely has the mechanical aptitude to tie his shoes let alone true a bike wheel. In 25 years he had never trued the wheels nor had them trued for him. I did some tuneups on his bike for him, but the wheels were still 100% perfect.
How do you ride a bike for 25 years and not wear through the rims?
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How do you ride a bike for 25 years and not wear through the rims?


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How do you ride a bike for 25 years and not wear through the rims?
use tires?
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Don't do the tie/solder thing, then you can't use spoke cards.
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My spokes don't look as clean as the pics above but I didn't do it so...



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Clip off that loose strand, Big. It's sharp.
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Don't do the tie/solder thing, then you can't use spoke cards.

Sure you can. But if you want to run a balloon up against your spokes in order to make your bike sound like an even better motorcycle, you have to be careful that the balloon doesn't line up with the ties.
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I built wheels 6 last month (2 for myself and 4 for friends)
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