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Old 12-01-08, 10:07 PM   #1
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new light choice driving me crazy!!!!HELP!!!

So i have been obsessing over what to get for a new front light. I have my choice down to a Knog toad or a cateye el410. I am in Brooklyn and need to be seen at night (not really to see at night) so Im thinking crazy bright and flashy. I was recently hit by a car and I want to take precautions for the future.

My light setup will will be

back: 2 planet bike superflash (cant go wrong with these!)
front: 1 energizer 8 led head lamp
either the knog toad (5 led's) or the cateye hl410, maybe even 2 of each? and maybe a few helmet flashies just for fun (looking to spend less than 50$)

I would like to buy from pricepoint as I want to buy a lock (new york faggetaboutit Ulock, which I can only find on pricepoint?) and I want to get stuff together

I have been staring at reviews and other forums for days now and i need someone to tell be what to buy!!! I am soo indecisive!!!
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Old 12-01-08, 10:15 PM   #2
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Man, you're going to look like a christmas tree. I like the knog lights, they last forever and aren't too big.
I don't like helmet lights personally, they keep falling off, and you look like some bizarre alien creature and distract drivers' eyes from the road, which you don't want.
But maybe I'm just bitter since every time I put on a helmet light its either lost or broken within a week....
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Old 12-01-08, 10:15 PM   #3
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i hate the superflashes. rather, i hate riding behind people with superflashes. getting two of those is just mean towards your fellow cyclists.

I have the knog toad and its okay, and have used the cat eye as well. i saved up some extra money and bought a niterider mininewt usb (100), and have nothing but praise for it. its actually bright enough to see with. Anything lower than that is just to be seen.
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Old 12-01-08, 10:21 PM   #4
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+1 on the niterider Mini newt usb. I broke down and got one after having some of the first gen duals, and the mini single is very close to the duals (or so it seems) In my opinion, two really good lights are better than 4 or 5 so-so lights. I do use a knog on the rear to aid in depth perception for motorist though, but just a superflash and the niterider to be seen.
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Old 12-01-08, 10:21 PM   #5
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I have and like the toad. Really easy to take on and off (but has never even threatened to fall off), and I've been told it's very bright from a distance.
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Old 12-01-08, 10:23 PM   #6
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Can't recommend anything from knog. Cool concept (silicone bodies), terribly executed (poor light performance for the cost, the LEDs' legs break and die, circuit board contacts are too small to solder new LCD in to).
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Old 12-01-08, 10:45 PM   #7
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I'd recommend typing in "lights" in the commuting forum and see what pops up. After reading what they have to say, I doubt you'd still want either of the two lights you mentioned. Also, if you're keen on just being seen, rather than seeing the road, reflectivity is just as (if not more) important than blinkies.
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Old 12-01-08, 10:58 PM   #8
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check out the planet bike Blaze 1w headlight. It's like a superflash for the front. It'll help you be seen at night with the superflash function and it'll help you see with the 1w LED. It also uses two AA's and is backed with Planet Bike's warranty.
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Old 12-02-08, 12:08 AM   #9
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check out the planet bike Blaze 1w headlight. It's like a superflash for the front. It'll help you be seen at night with the superflash function and it'll help you see with the 1w LED. It also uses two AA's and is backed with Planet Bike's warranty.
I use that one, and it seems decent.
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Do any of your front lights come loose and end up pointing up (or down) when riding on rough roads?
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cateye hl410 > anything knog
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the blaze 1watt front light is barely enough to see where you are going at a good speed.

you might consider ditching all the front lights listed and getting a proper chargeable headlamp that can actually see the road with, like the MiNewt: http://www.rei.com/product/777359

and yeah, one superflash on the back is fine.
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Old 12-02-08, 06:42 AM   #13
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Thanks for all the replys guys.

To reiterate, I dont need light to see where I am going, I am in brooklyn and the light pollution (to coin a phrase) at night here is excessive, I just need to be seen. So the knog sounds not so great, but is a good concept. The nightrider might be excessive for my needs (+ is kinda big, i like to take the lights off when I lock up. The Planet bike 1w blaze seems promising.

So here is the verdict:

Cateye410 for the front, 1 superflash for the rear, reflective tape for the helmet and a reflective vest.

Sound good?
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I also live in Brooklyn and don't really think the lighting is that bad. I worst place Ive seen is between Prospect Park and the Botanical Gardens where all the trees just soak up the street lights. I don't ride that stretch at night all that often, unless the park is closed. But frankly, a standard Knog in front and the Gegko in back has always been enough. If you are really focused on more light in the front, swing by Continuum Cycles on Avene B between 12th and 13th and ask them about how they installed the Gekco on the handlebars bars in such a way that it requires removing the bars to remove the light. The light sits centered over the stem clamp.

And light pollution is a fairly common term.
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Old 12-02-08, 02:23 PM   #15
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Do any of your front lights come loose and end up pointing up (or down) when riding on rough roads?
Put a couple wraps of electrical tape on the bar where you mount your light, does wonders.
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Old 12-02-08, 02:51 PM   #16
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Try looking at the Cat eye HL-EL135, I use it and like it a lot for the same way you want to use it. It has a really wide angle so your seen better from the side when entering a intersection and it's small & smooth enough to fit in a jeans pocket. It's cheap so not a big deal if lost and last forever on same battery. I like the 410 but it has a narrow beam and a short battery life.

Tail light I use a TL-LD150 cinched in the center to one of my seat rail, it's almost impossible to take off the way I have and it tucked out of the way immediately under my saddle. Works really when flashing.
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i hate the superflashes. rather, i hate riding behind people with superflashes. getting two of those is just mean towards your fellow cyclists.
I sometimes worry I'm going to get run over because of my superflash. Not because a driver won't see me, but because he'll get so irritated he runs me over on purpose...

That said I still like the light. Bright as hell and impossible to miss
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Put a couple wraps of electrical tape on the bar where you mount your light, does wonders.
a little scrap of bartape works great too.
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