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Old 04-06-04, 03:41 PM   #1
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How does one do a reverse 360+? I've gotten really good at no-handed track stands, but I can only get 3/4 the way around on a reverse before I fall to the inside. Are there any tips out there?

p.s. after I get good at circles, I'm gonna try reverse fractals!
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Old 04-06-04, 03:51 PM   #2
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start them out fast so you have the momentum to not get stuck with the pedals vertical. i do them standing up, with most of my weight over the front wheel when i start them, and them i shift the weight to the rear for the last part...i think. i can't really say much beyond that. a lot of it for me has to do with luck right now, as i just recently started doing them.
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Old 04-06-04, 04:18 PM   #3
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I recently started doing them too. 3 in a row is the most I've done so far. I stand up too. Basically, I come to a stop and turn the bars and start rocking a little back and forth in a trackstand. Then once I've got my balance, I rock forward, then rock back and keep pedaling backwards. I try to keep my body in the center of the frame. It seems like the toughest part is about half way around where you have to lean differently. I can't really describe the leaning, I'd just say keep practicing. I hope that helps, I'm by know means an expert at this.
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I've been trying to learn how to do these backward circle things. Last night in front of a grit bar/bowling alley I was going REAL slow and checking things out. There's just something about girls with poofy bangs and LA Gear that gets me all riled up. I stopped and couldn't unclip and fell flat on my ass. I need to learn how to ride normal first. Told y'all I was special.

Seriously any tips on learning these things from scratch?
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Old 04-06-04, 04:21 PM   #5
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does anyone ride backwards just in a straight line? i've tried circles and am not very good at it, but i figure... first learn how to ride backwards straight, and then do circles? is one easier than the other?

btw no-handed trackstanding rules.

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Old 04-06-04, 04:31 PM   #6
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What kills me, is I can ride backward on a bmx bike forever. Just hop 180 to fakie. On my fix I can't ride in a straight line at all. One of my BMX friends tried too (and he's a ripper), he couldn't do it either. It must be the way you're positioned on a track bike that makes it hard.
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You gotta think about the dynamics of it, and WHY its hard. Everything about the bike is meant to go forward: the stance, the frame, everything. Not only that, you are trying to go backwards, AND turn at the same time, on a bike that wasn't made to do so. That is where the challenge lies.
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There's just something about girls with poofy bangs and LA Gear that gets me all riled up.
LA Gear is still around?
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It is in Ohio!
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I've determined that Ohio is the only place that you can see a BMW at an Aldi store.
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i've gotten pretty damn good at backward 360's

my buddy discovered the key - the goofy-footed trackstand.

let me explain: normally while trackstanding - you have your dominant foot forward, and the front wheel pointing toward it. you can get a good explanation of this on 63xc.com.

the goofy-footed trackstand is where your non-dominant foot is forward - BUT your wheel is still facing the same direction as it would in a normal trackstand.

we found that when we passed through this position on a reverse 360 - we became unbalanced. so we practiced the hell out of it. and all of a sudden - we could do reverse 360's like champs.

in fact - i feel more stable in a goofy-footed trackstand than a normal trackstand with my non-dominant foot now.

our next mission is the counter-clockwise backward 360 (we always do them clockwise) and then learn how to do a backwards figure 8. its really tough.
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LA style is still played on the radio.
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So, I got the goofy-foot trackstand down on both sides (no-handed even) and am really close to doing circles. I've found it's easiest to do while sitting, but I'm only shooting ~5%. Practice practice practice.
btw, I do them counter-clockwise
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COUNTER clockwise?! wtf BIZARRO WORLD!?
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Old 04-06-04, 09:47 PM   #15
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COUNTER clockwise?! wtf BIZARRO WORLD!?
Remember when we rode, and I told you that I track stand with my wheel to the right and my right foot forward? You said "that's weird." It's not weird. I'm just special.

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Remember when we rode, and I told you that I track stand with my wheel to the right and my right foot forward? You said "that's weird."
Well, I do it both ways depending on where my cranks end up at the traffic signal.
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i do it with either foot forward, but my wheel is always cocked to the left.
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Damn, it's like riding BMX all over again I can ride backwards on a BMX (sitting on the handlebars, bike's actually going forwards) forever, but I've never tried on my fix. Maybe I'll go back to my flatland riding spot on 'bust some moves'.

I've tried no-handed and seated trackstands in my workshop (table saw came in handy for something to lean on), I found no-handers were easier, but the bars kept falling to one side or the other, not helped by the steep headtube. I have no toe overlap whatsoever, so I can rest the wheel on my shoe; any tips on how to keep the front wheel in order? I guess I should try standing up too.
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I have no toe overlap whatsoever, so I can rest the wheel on my shoe; any tips on how to keep the front wheel in order?
You could intentionally index your headset like they do in circus act bikes.....

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of you have a short enough top tube, or wide enough handlebars, you can stick a knee out to hold the bar end.
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the steep headtube. I have no toe overlap whatsoever, so I can rest the wheel on my shoe; any tips on how to keep the front wheel in order? I guess I should try standing up too.
i find that if i am on a very slight downhill, the front wheel doesn't turn as much. much easier.

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Sorry, should have read 'can't rest my toe on the wheel'. And the top tube is way too long to reach the bars with my knee. And someone was stupid enough to build my workshop on the level, how inconsiderate! Guess i'll have to brave the weather and try it outside.
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Here's a pic of me just standing around...
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Like totally awesome !!
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that orange thing looks like LA GEAR to me...
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