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    Rollers to diagnose bike setup?

    I've caught a lot of flak already for running a 60mm -10deg stem and risers, with people claiming they're really unstable, etc. etc.

    My rollers finally came in today, and good lord! My bike IS really, really twitchy on the rollers. But it definitely doesn't feel like its that much on the road.

    Discuss.
    It's bad when you're 19 and people consider you an "old geezer" in the current FG community.

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    Should sell the rollers, then sell the bike, then take that money and buy a bike that fits properly.
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    all bikes are twitchy on rollers


    that's the point...to teach you how to be smooth
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    i still think you guys who like ride 5+ miles on these bikes are crazy

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    i wonder if they make rollers to help you not make retärded threads...
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    Road [racing] is one of the only sports where adult men can compete in a non-scholastic setting, so inevitably 8/10 racers are fiercely-competitive nobodies. It's fun as hell, but it's also the foremost refuge of defeated and aging jocks, turned middle-management types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elTwitcho View Post
    Should sell the rollers, then sell the bike, then take that money and buy a bike that fits properly.
    .....Or just experiment with a stem that's "right" for the bike? 5'10", 56cm frame.

    I don't do the bike fitting at the shop for nothing, you know. I just built my bike with the pieces from a 49cm frame and didn't bother to put a longer stem on because I like the upright position in traffic.

    I'll put on a 110 -10 tomorrow and see what happens.
    It's bad when you're 19 and people consider you an "old geezer" in the current FG community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iansmash View Post
    all bikes are twitchy on rollers


    that's the point...to teach you how to be smooth

    +1

    if your bike feels fine to you on the road, then ride it that way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sp00ki View Post
    i wonder if they make rollers to help you not make retärded threads...
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    Quote Originally Posted by geeknerd99 View Post
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    I'll put on a 110 -10 tomorrow and see what happens.
    a 5cm increase? I guarantee you that something WILL happen. You shouldn't be changing anything by 5cm on a bike you already ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeknerd99 View Post
    .....Or just experiment with a stem that's "right" for the bike? 5'10", 56cm frame.

    I don't do the bike fitting at the shop for nothing, you know. I just built my bike with the pieces from a 49cm frame and didn't bother to put a longer stem on because I like the upright position in traffic.

    I'll put on a 110 -10 tomorrow and see what happens.
    if a 60 mm stem is comfortable, your bike doesn't fit you duder
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    Quote Originally Posted by geeknerd99 View Post
    Discuss.
    rollers diagnose form issues, not fit issues.

    go to a competent shop, get your bike fit, ride rollers until you can do it no handed, post video.

    now you're for real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dookie View Post
    rollers diagnose form issues, not fit issues.

    go to a competent shop, get your bike fit, ride rollers until you can do it no handed, post video.

    now you're for real.
    So what you're saying is:

    Go to work, and play around with it myself until it "fits".

    I've ridden the bike with a 140mm -10 (which was nucking futs) and drops. I'd ride it like that on the track, but the decreased visibility in traffic wasn't worth it. And I've mostly ridden it with the 60 with both bullhorns and risers. It all depends on what ride qualities I'm aiming for. I have leg extension and knee angle all perfectly dialed in, along with saddle tilt and fore-aft position. And all of those did change slightly and were corrected when I played around with the 140mm stem.



    Now tell me again that this bike (minus the joke HED3 and plus a few minor part tweaks) doesn't fit me.
    It's bad when you're 19 and people consider you an "old geezer" in the current FG community.

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    ok, so you know *all* about fit and you've got it dialed...that much is apparent now.

    proceed to step 2 in my previous post...form.

    rollers are a *****, but it's not the bike's fault.
    Last edited by dookie; 12-21-08 at 07:58 PM.

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    20 miles tonight definitely helped a lot.

    Although admittedly, 60mm does feel a bit short after a while. Experimentation to follow!
    It's bad when you're 19 and people consider you an "old geezer" in the current FG community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeknerd99 View Post
    Now tell me again that this bike (minus the joke HED3 and plus a few minor part tweaks) doesn't fit me.
    Quote Originally Posted by geeknerd99 View Post
    Although admittedly, 60mm does feel a bit short after a while. Experimentation to follow!
    You said it yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeknerd99 View Post
    I've ridden the bike with a 140mm -10 (which was nucking futs) and drops. I'd ride it like that on the track, but the decreased visibility in traffic wasn't worth it.
    Blacksburg has a population of 39,000 people, how heavy could the traffic be?

    Visibility is good but these bikes aren't meant to be ridden sitting bolt upright. Ride risers if that's your style but at least get a stem extension that doesn't put 100% of your weight on your ass. Take some time to get used to the more aggressive posture your bike is meant for and you'll probably find you actually like it once you get past the adjustment from what you're probably used to.
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    Blacksburg has a population of 39,000 people, how heavy could the traffic be?

    Visibility is good but these bikes aren't meant to be ridden sitting bolt upright. Ride risers if that's your style but at least get a stem extension that doesn't put 100% of your weight on your ass. Take some time to get used to the more aggressive posture your bike is meant for and you'll probably find you actually like it once you get past the adjustment from what you're probably used to.
    I go to Virginia Tech. Try riding in 9AM class change traffic across campus. It gets pretty hairy.

    I'm not quite completely upright, but definitely after an extended ride I start to feel somewhat.... cramped in my current cockpit setup. That, and the lack of hand positions starts to suck.

    I guess it all eventually boils down to context. Shorter, casual point A to point B rides are great with the short stem and risers setup, but roadie-esque training rides (rollers or road) probably should be done with a legit "road" setup.
    It's bad when you're 19 and people consider you an "old geezer" in the current FG community.

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    I think you said you were 5'10"? If so a 100mm stem will be perfect for you. I have the SE Lager as well, the crap stem that came with it I think was 60mm, just way to small. I went then to 90mm, still didnt feel right, then to 100mm, perfect! I have been measured anyways and 100mm is suitable for me.

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    never mind torso / arm length, flexibility, top tube length, saddle fore/aft, etc...100 is purrrfect.

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    I'm ending this once and for all.

    I brought home the Salsa Size-O-Matic from work and a set of drops. This ought to be fun.
    It's bad when you're 19 and people consider you an "old geezer" in the current FG community.

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