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Old 12-22-08, 07:49 PM   #1
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Pake?

What's up?

I posted here a while ago about getting a Soma Rush. Although I still want one badly, I might not be able to swing it financially.

Is the Pake that bad? I have a conversion right now with some sweet Cinelli bars and a Vuelta wheel set (those are really the only honorable mentions) but my bike seems heavy as ****. I rode my friend's Pista around and it was so much lighter and easier.

Basically, I want my bicycle lighter. Do you think if I have to go with a Pake it'll make much of a difference, or should I just tough it out and get the Soma?

My gear ratio is 42/18, but I live in San Diego (hills galore, it sucks.)

Lemme know what you think.

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Old 12-22-08, 07:53 PM   #2
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IMO wait for the soma or a nice lightweight 80s frame on CL. my friends pake is heavy and has a dead feeling ride.
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Old 12-22-08, 08:46 PM   #3
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my friend's paké is not the lightest bike in the crew, but no one outside of bikerworld would ever pick it up and say man this is a heavy bike.

idk, he likes it and it has served him well for ~6 months so far.
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There's nothing wrong with a pake frame (or fork), but they're not great. You can do a bit better with a bit more money, or a lot better with just a tad more money than that. But if you're on a tight budget, certainly a pake is fine.
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Old 12-22-08, 08:57 PM   #5
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Old 12-22-08, 08:58 PM   #6
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my conversion was lighter than the pake i bought to replace it. there are nicer/lighter bikes for the money. if you want to save weight, save up for the soma or get something like the kilo tt, mark v, etc.
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Old 12-22-08, 10:31 PM   #7
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pakes are straight gauged and heavy as ****. get a rush.
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Old 12-23-08, 06:30 AM   #8
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i rode one for about a year and a half. it was fine - burly, strong, reliable etc. it was never the bike slowing me down.
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Old 12-23-08, 10:21 AM   #9
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Woah, how about one of these?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-School-Merci...QQcmdZViewItem

I don't need the best frame. I've only been riding for 6 months and just mostly cruise around town (10-15 miles a day tops)

These look sick though? At least better than the Pake right?
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Nothing wrong with a Paké. Yes they are heavier, but that much more bullet proof too.
That said, your ebay deal looks pretty good.
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about the kilo, you're joking, right? thats the most talked-about bike on here! yes, it would be a great alternative for you. search "kilo" on here and read for 1/2 a day.
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about the kilo, you're joking, right? thats the most talked-about bike on here! yes, it would be a great alternative for you. search "kilo" on here and read for 1/2 a day.
Haha! Word. I'm on it.
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The kilo frameset from bikeisland is CERTAINLY a better value than the Pake. Not only does it come with a fork, unlike mane of the Pakes I've seen, but its slightly lighter and has a little broader color choice as well.
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I built myself up a Pake in the beginning of the year and rode it all summer long with no issues. It feels great to me. Very stiff and decently light weight for the comp spec I used. I love the bike. I now alot of you here dont really like it but for the money, I cant say there is much better, given I only paid $140 or the frame and fork brand new.

In my opinion, the Pake is a wonderful bike for the money. Affordable, reliable, solid, stiff, nuff said for me.

Pake frame and fork
Ritchy headset
ITM stem
Nitto 021 bullhorns
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Cheap seat
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DT Swiss spokes
Continintal Gator Skins 23c
KMC Kool Lite chain 1/8"
Dura-Ace cog and lock ring
Cinelli carbon look bar tape
Carbon headset spacer
Standard tubes

19.??Ibs

I know not the 14/15Ib of some true track bikes but this bike is very durable.

And im done.
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I built myself up a Pake in the beginning of the year and rode it all summer long with no issues. It feels great to me. Very stiff and decently light weight for the comp spec I used. I love the bike. I now alot of you here dont really like it but for the money, I cant say there is much better, given I only paid $140 or the frame and fork brand new.

In my opinion, the Pake is a wonderful bike for the money. Affordable, reliable, solid, stiff, nuff said for me.

Pake frame and fork
Ritchy headset
ITM stem
Nitto 021 bullhorns
Nitto seatpost
Cheap seat
Truvativ Ominum cranks
Time pedals
Formula sealed hubs
Deep-V rims
DT Swiss spokes
Continintal Gator Skins 23c
KMC Kool Lite chain 1/8"
Dura-Ace cog and lock ring
Cinelli carbon look bar tape
Carbon headset spacer
Standard tubes

19.??Ibs

I know not the 14/15Ib of some true track bikes but this bike is very durable.

And im done.
prove it.
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19.92Lbs with pedals, rear light, and filler bolts in fork and frame brake mounts.
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that aint bad.
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dont thank me, thank the carbon look bar tape and carbon spacers!
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dont thank me, thank the carbon look bar tape and carbon spacers!
I think the spacer added weight over the aluminum one that was on there before.

Im gonna change it up here before to long. Thinking natural cork tape and a tan saddle.
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I think the spacer added weight over the aluminum one that was on there before.

Im gonna change it up here before to long. Thinking natural cork tape and a tan saddle.
that was a light dash of sarcasm that i conveyed terribly through text.
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the pake, like most frames nowadays, is fine, especially if you can get one for cheap. its not heavy compared to any other frames in its league, i mean, not in any really relevant way, and even if it were, it would hardly matter. Not that I've ever ridden one. If you're worried about the weight of the frame and the hills in san diego, it probably won't be an issue, its not that hilly really. straight gauge cro-mo is good stuff. butted is probably better,i guess,but only in a technical sense, im not really convinced that it would come through in the quality of ride. i ride a hi ten conversion in SD that probably weighs nearly 30 lbs., running 45x16, and i've never had a problem getting where i need or want to go, even over relatively long distances. I've found most inclines here are either very manageable, like washington and C st., or impassable, like B st., but there's always a way around.
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the pake, like most frames nowadays, is fine, especially if you can get one for cheap. its not heavy compared to any other frames in its league, i mean, not in any really relevant way, and even if it were, it would hardly matter. Not that I've ever ridden one. If you're worried about the weight of the frame and the hills in san diego, it probably won't be an issue, its not that hilly really. straight gauge cro-mo is good stuff. butted is probably better,i guess,but only in a technical sense, im not really convinced that it would come through in the quality of ride. i ride a hi ten conversion in SD that probably weighs nearly 30 lbs., running 45x16, and i've never had a problem getting where i need or want to go, even over relatively long distances. I've found most inclines here are either very manageable, like washington and C st., or impassable, like B st., but there's always a way around.
I'm actually thinking about just going with the Pake now.
I mean, I'm still fairly new to riding, so I don't even really think I deserve anything nicer than a Pake right now.

Plus, my frame right now has vertical dropouts, and is much heavier than the Pake, I'm sure.

At the same time, I feel like I need a lighter frame at times, because I'm only 5'8" and 130 lbs.

And all the black and white Kilo TT's sold. And I'm not trying to ride an orange bicycle or pay $175 to have it powder coated. I just happen to hate the color orange. No offense to anyone...
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if u can get the green one. better forks. i have one, along w a davidson braised pursuit bike, and a centurion conversion.. i like my pake best.

ive had lots of bikes in the 10+yrs ive been riding (khs aero, basso, sycip, bianchi, schwinn paramount, waterford, and a cannondale), and im afraid the thin stuff like my davidson is gonna break if i actually get rough w it.

so i ride the pake or the centurion conversion more often. i ride 57 normally, its a 51.. it's fun learning tricks on a smaller frame..

i work for a frame builder/painter that gets LOTS of frame repairs.. he sticks his nose up at lots of chinese made stuff.. we fix airborne ti bikes and bob jacksons all day in america. even he gave the pake's durable build a nod of approval and stocked them. i have seen 4 somas and 2 salsas 1 bob jackson and some other entry level track bike.. some italian named ****e.. come in broken in the last 3 months.

if u are gentle, get something light.. thin.. enjoy

if u are buying it to ride like a skateboard.. pake is stupid cheap.

raleighs are better but more $$. pista concept too.. bare knuckle is in between.. but unless u can afford them, get the pake w the lugged fork. they should only cost under 200$ if u work in a shop like mr 20lb black pake from colorado. he quoted a price that's less than wholesale.. so i dunno if u can expect that..

i have a 650 on the ft.. so prolly plan on that.. i dont think any the bikes mentioned are 700c barspinnable 'cept for the raleigh i think.

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