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Old 01-01-09, 02:27 PM   #1
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Converting wheels.. Camp. Khamsin (DROOL..)

Well Happy New year to y'all anyway!

I have disovered the beautiful Campagnolo Khamsin wheelset, and I've fallen in love! I have to have these in gold on my fixie..

My question is, does anybody have experience with these wheels? And if anyone knnows a feasable way of converting these to fixed? I can't find any pics of the hub to see what it is, which is part of the problem, but I'm nearly tempted to just get them and then try convert them (although that could be a costly idea).

These are the wheels in question..

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Old 01-01-09, 02:38 PM   #2
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I have these in black, they're ok.

I would not be possible to convert these to fixed gear easily. Surly makes a product called the Fixxer that you can use to convert Shimano brand hubs, but there is no similar product I know of for a Campy hub.

They have a Campy 9/10 speed cassette hub, so even running them SS would be harder than it needs to be; no one makes single campy cogs, you'd have to disassemble a cassette.
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rudetay is correct in all but one thing. single campagnolo cassette cogs are definitely sold - i've bought a couple. can't find a link right now.

but, anyway, i can't think of any way these can be turned into a fixed gear, unless you got adventurous and wanted to seize up the internals somehow. singlespeed, yes - with a single cassette cog, a bunch of spacers, and a lockring.
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Get some real campy track wheels, they will be far better suited to your needs and converting these wheels will be a real pain in the ass (as others have already pointed out).
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oh and while youre at it, why dont you take some campy ergoshifters, and gut them so you can make a dummy lever.... that would be awful to ruin that road wheelset. sell them and get some shamals
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Ah, sounds like a big disappointment.. Knew it'd be tricky if it could be done..

I'm tempted to get a bike to fit these to now (then I'll buy them)

Cheers for the help guys, atleast the dream didn't have time to settle in.. I really want some tastey looking wheels, on a budget (150 for a pair max).. Don't mind lacing them myself, but something like these seem to be impossible DIY style (getting suitable parts online).

Tempted to just give twised lacing a shot, hassle of finding rims as nice as somethnig like these..

Carbon Jockey, I'd hate to be associated like that (shiver down my spine), but I'd love come Campy parts on my whip, and Shamal's are like 7-8 times the price!
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campy sells them pregutted



ive been thinking about gutting the left shifter on my cross bike as i run a single ring set up.

One thing noone has mentioned so far is that the rear spacing on a road hub is generaly 130, where as most track frames are 120. The only way I can think of to convert that to fixed would involve replacing the pawls on the freehub body with something that was the same shape but solid and not sprung. Kludgy, and definately not worth the bother!
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If you like the wheels, what's wrong with getting the rear rebuilt with the right hub?

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If you like the wheels, what's wrong with getting the rear rebuilt with the right hub?

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finding a 27 hole track hub>?
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know anyone who makes 27h hubs?
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http://cgi.ebay.com/GOLD-WEINMANN-DE...1|293:1|294:50
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know anyone who makes 27h hubs?
i've heard that formula does. dont quote me on that though
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i've heard that formula does. dont quote me on that though
you're wrong.
they make 28h, which is one too many.
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know anyone who makes 27h hubs?
Phil Wood will make one.
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finding a 27 hole track hub>?
That's probably a very good reason for not rebuilding

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Phil Wood will make one.
then you get the fun of dealing with an asymmetrical rim designed to accommodate the dish of having a freehub body, and having one side of the wheel have twice as many spokes as the other. it'd be a pretty sweet wheel, thats for sure.

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then you get the fun of dealing with an asymmetrical rim designed to accommodate the dish of having a freehub body, and having one side of the wheel have twice as many spokes as the other. it'd be a pretty sweet wheel, thats for sure.

This is really not a problem. Did it with 16h rear shamals laced to custom phil woods.
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but 16 is an even number, so it probably is a little less hassle
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also the old shamals didnt do the 3 paired spoke thing. the new ones do, theyre 21 hole.
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that would be awful to ruin that road wheelset. sell them and get some shamals
uh, not really. it's a budget-quality wheelset. that's the formula wheelset of campagnolo's road line. except cheaper.
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buy wheelset, sell rear wheel, get formula hub/gold deep vs (actually, probably fusions or aeroheads would be closer).
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then you get the fun of dealing with an asymmetrical rim designed to accommodate the dish of having a freehub body, and having one side of the wheel have twice as many spokes as the other.
it'd be a pretty sweet wheel, thats for sure.

I would not do it with the 21,24,27 triplet rims and lacing, but I am doing a Phil single cog Hi/Lo 24hole(8NDS-16DS) with Two2One lacing rear wheel.
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Yeh, I've thought about gutting the rear wheel (changing hub), then I thiought about building my own (although I'm guessing these would insist on a tensiometer)..

I dunno, I've searched all around and can't find any as nice/cheap as these!

Cheers for all the tips guys!
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Buy 2 wheelsets, sell both rears, swap the hub on one of the fronts to a custom ano-ed and drilled Mack.

http://www.mackhubs.com/
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