TBH, what isn't to like about H Plus Son rims? Every taco'ed one I have seen (few) has zero explanation of why it got that way, so one has to assume the user was abusing it.
i heard from a friend, who's a strong rider, that these rims will sneak into your house and murder your family.
i voted on your poll, but i will note that the poll asks what the most "practical" chainring is, and notes what your most popular seller is. in the world of track, tarck, fixed, fixie etc. i don't feel like the most practical is ever going to be the best seller.
another forum i am on posted this picture of what happend to their Hplusson rim after a skid stop.
from what i heard these aren't the best for fixed ridding
Image link broken. Also I find it hard to believe the rim taco'ed from a skid stop, considering these rims are asking to be used on a fixed gear. H Plus Son QA's their product thoroughly ... so again, I find it hard to believe it could taco from a skid stop. Real abuse, that wouldn't surprise me.
yeah ive had them for months and ridden them just about every day with no complaints... except the murder...
what do you mean by the image link is broken...can you not see the image or it doent link anywhere?
anyhow, i am pretty sure you are right bout this not happening from a skid stop alone. the guy who posted this does put his bike through a hell of a lot of abuse riding off curbs and banked walls etc etc. But my point is that why would you get such a nice rim if it cant hold up to the abuse. I am sure there are plenty of wheels that will hold up better than these and just because they have a deep v or a crzy deep v like the Hplusson rims doesn't have to mean they are stronger
i bought an H Plus rim and it started a meth lab in my basement, had a armed standoff with the police outside my house, subsequently served 8 years in federal prison and while on parole last week taco'd from a bar spin
.....sorry no pics to prove it
Can you use normal tubes in these or is there some sort of extension/adapter thingy involved?
This rim is a registered sex offender...
i heard H+son raped his brother and is going to court soon
What IS wrong with H Plus Son rims is that they are trendy right now, and of course, since they are new, trendy, and pricey, people are gonna say they are bad. But honestly, it is expensive because it IS new. If these rims were being made in the volume and infrastructure (and that includes staff) Velocity rims are, they'd be a lot cheaper too.
I think they've done just about all they can do to educate people on their product. Caveat emptor.
I'm not dumb, I realize there is no such thing as a fixed gear rim. That's why I phrased it the way I did, because I wanted to express the fact that this is a rim many people in the fixed gear crowd are gonna like. Why? Well, obviously it was the designer's intent. And clearly a lot of people who ride fixed gear bikes skid stop. Again, clearly the designer knew this since many of these rims lack machined sidewalls. And if the rim taco'ed from skidding? Well then clearly all that other effort was for naught. But I don't for a second believe these rims are weak enough to taco from skidding, if only because it doesn't make sense from a design standpoint.
As for your second argument, I am not saying you are wrong. I never argued they were AS strong as Velocity rims, just that they worked just as well for normal riding. But your reasoning isn't completely accurate. Shape also affects strength. I was going to type out an explanation why, but you seem like a smart guy, so I'll save my breath. Suffice it to say, which is stronger is largely irrelevant, because for everyday use, as I said before, both work fine.
Incidentally, in that poll, I am extremely surprised more people didn't put 47t.
EDIT: To the OP - I think you should definitely do a 47t chainring. If you are going to have this stuff manufactured yourself, I think it would speak about the kind of consumer your frame (and store in general) already appears to cater to.
Agreed, I think both will be fine for your average rider. I think the trick crowd are in for a nasty surprise if they pick up these rims for reasons of fashion, but like I said, buyer beware.
You're also right about shape affecting strength. I think it's a bit simplistic of us to even talk about "strength" as some nebulous catch-all, when there are so many ways a rim can fail, and so many ways to rate strength. My personal opinion is that they are not as strong as Deep-Vs, but strong enough. Deal?
And sorry if I sounded condescending. That really wasn't my intent. I just meant to say, from what I've seen of H+S, they're not going out of their way to cater exclusively to the FG crowd. They do (did?) have a version with sidewalls. Surprisingly, they're not quite as popular.
I think we're pretty much on the same page here, I just have way of expressing myself that makes me sound like a dick.
Yeah I basically agree with what you've said. In the past though it's been frustrating when people (not you) say certain trendy bike products suck without any real evidence, basing their argument on pictures without context, utter hearsay, or worse, their own aversion to things that are trendy.
I've seen so many pics of cracked Aerospokes followed by plenty of posters saying how fragile they are ... only to learn later that the wheel got RUN OVER by a car. Similarly, this has happened with H Plus Son rims.
That is as bad as people who are at the opposite end of the spectrum and choose on purely aesthetic reasons. Actually, as an industrial designer, I would argue it is worse.
Anyhow, I am rambling.
Last edited by devilshaircut; 01-07-09 at 07:27 PM.
Yeah, I've seen those pics. I don't believe for a minute that was from skid.
For the record, I think H+S has a really great product on their hands. My gripe is with the fashionistas who will gravitate towards this product because they are DEEEEEEEEEP and then complain when they destroy them with 180 wheelies, NOT with H+S themselves.
Then we get to laugh at them for being dumb and not buying something more durable!