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Old 01-20-09, 10:09 AM   #1
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24H Suntour/ Araya wheel-build: opinions?

So I'm building up a set of 24H wheels (front and rear) around the pair of Suntour Superbe pro hubs pictured below. I need to decide on the rims, spokes, and lacing pattern, and was hoping to get some input/ opinions. My goal is a light, strong wheelset that will hold up on regular roads on my Sunday rides. I weigh about 175lbs, and don't abuse my wheels.

For rims, I'm thinking of going with Araya ADX Aero 4 tubular rims:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/adx.html


These are quite light, weighing in at 300g per.
For spokes, I was thinking double butted, say 14/15/14, with brass nipples, laced 2X front and rear.

I generally prefer tubular rims, but am completely open to suggestions. Should I go radial lacing front? Bladed spokes? Alu nipples? Other rim choices? If I could get my hands on Araya ADX 240CF's (Carbon fiber) I'd go for those, but outside of Japan they are impossible to find.

Any thoughts or suggestions?


Of course, I could always abandon the light idea and lace the hubs to Araya SA30's for a really cool looking (though probably insanely heavy) wheelset:

http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...oducts_id=4800
(the ones I have available to me are clinchers).

*For the Suntour afficianada out there, these hubs are first generation superbe pros's: note the larger print on the labels, the stickers (rather than laser print) down the centers, and the grease ports in the silver (rather than black) dust shields (yes, they are traditional loose ball + cone hubs, rather than the later ingenious custom modified 6001-sealed bearing/ cone system found on all later generation superbe pro hubs).
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Old 01-21-09, 07:07 AM   #2
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Lovely hubs. I'd go for Araya SA30's, but only 'cos I'm generally scared of tubs. Oh, and radial lacing in the front, of course.
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Old 01-21-09, 09:27 PM   #3
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who else makes 24h hubs? and if they do are low flange hubs available?
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Old 01-21-09, 11:28 PM   #4
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phil wood come in HF and LF and can be custom drilled
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MACK hubs are hand-made and can be ordered in any custom drilling too.
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Old 01-22-09, 08:01 AM   #6
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jussik: Thanks for your thoughts on the original question.

bryyando: I suggest a simple google search. If my memory serves, in addition to PW and Mack, there's American Classic, Cane Creek and Zipp (though the latter two perhaps only have HF). Perhaps dura ace?

Does anyone know the weight of the clincher version of the SA30? I'd guess 500-600g, but I could be surprised, I'm sure...
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24 hole hubs/rims are tough to find.

Here is what I know about what is available...
For rims, Super Aeros were commonly made in 24 hole, as were adx1,4
and Aero 4 s.....
They are cheap, because nobody wants them, frankly....reasons being that 24 hole
hubs are as rare as anything.....
I have 2 Suntour Superbe Pro front 24s....and they took me a year of constant searching
to find. I live in Japan and was mainly only searching within Japan. Maybe they are more
common in the states/europe.
Novatec/Joytec of Taiwan also make a low flange track rear 24 hole hub, but only make the front
in either 20 or 32.
I have never seen a track dura ace, suzue or sansin 24 hole.
Suntour did 20 and 24s....mainly for 24 inch funny bike rims.

Not sure what you already have/do not have....but I have a front suntour superbe pro 24 and
deadstock new super aero 700 and spokes to suit...if you need it. Cannot help with the rear
though.... my email is rene@njssupermarket.net

28 hole would give you 5 times the options, 32 hole will give you 200 times the options....

Bens Cycles must have bought all the deadstock from the US distributor, because I heard from Araya that the factory the Super Aeros were made in is no longer available to use.....and they cannot 're issue' the Super Aero rim. Damn.
They were 18000 retail per rim back in the day.
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ETALE....ps. Those hubs you have are amazing!!
The rear is just so rare, I cannot believe it exists.

Another odd point about SSP hubs...they 'custom made' spelling seems to have been through 2 generations....
CUSTUM MADE later changed to CUSTOM MADE.
I have never seen the sealed bearing version.
I imagine they were not released in Japan because 99.99999% of superbe pro hubs were used in Japan for Zen Amateur and Keirin, where everybody used open bearing hubs....
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just on a side note, Campagnolo C-Record Pista hubs came with 24h back in the day.
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I have a set for sale here...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ewwhite/3172231147/


And I usually build these up with Araya Aero-1 World Champion tubulars. I have access to them in 20, 24, 28 and 36-hole drillings.
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parkerlewis: thanks! That's really interesting about the writing. I posted a pictoral history of the Suntour track hubs that I've seen here

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...41#post8233441

in case you're interested.

ewwhite: nice hubs! These look like the modified cartridge hubs that I describe in the thread above. You can get aero 1's? Wow... I have a wheelset with aero1's that I like very much. I tend to prefer aero 4's, though, because they are easier to build (no pesky washers), lighter (by 35g per rim) and allegedly stronger. You wouldn't be able to get aero 4's would you?

Can anyone (maybe those of you in Japan?) get your hands on Araya adx 1s's or adx 240CF's?
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These are the hybrid-cartridge hubs. I've had the loose ball hubs, too... I went through a period where I accumulated 6 or 7 pairs of Superbe wheels or hubs. I've been selling them off, though, as I'm not able to use them all. There's a shop here in the Chicago area that has plenty of Aero 1 rims in every drilling BUT 32.
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Old 01-23-09, 10:39 AM   #13
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ewwhite, email me with some prices about the suntours....
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I have a front 24 Hole Early Model Superbe with the "CUSTUM" misspelling, looking for a matching rear in any drilling.
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In regards to your original question, stick with brass nipples.
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Oh Jesus. Whoops. Hope this dude builds wheels reaaaaalllly slowly.
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