got their cranks on my tarck bike.
plus, they're pink and a fraction of the price of the suginos.
they're alright frames from what i've heard, a bit heavy but can apparently take a beating.
pake has a great first bike/timer frame. dirt cheap too.
great for the price.
Sweet, thanks for the great and fast replies.
So, for a first build it sounds like a go?
I was looking at either those or the Jury from bikeisland, which is cheaper. Is it heavier or is there something else?
the jury has clearance for much wider tires. If you're looking at bikeistland, check out the Kilo frame, i don't know what it's called on there though, it's like 200 shipped. A simple search on here and you'll find countless posts on it.
edit: here you go:
if you haven't heard anything about pake then you aren't paying close enough attention. using the search function will yield you several threads about a pake a month.
it's cheap, it's heavy, it's plain ol' straight gauge tubing.
the kilo tt on bike island is cheaper, and not as heavy, and comes in a variety of colors
that's why it's more popular. i have a pake and a kilo tt, and why anyone would buy a pake new with the tt available is beyond me.
im riding my frame second hand (tony fast beat it up good before me and i got it real cheap from him) and its still great 3 years into its life. its slightly heavier than a frame twice or tripple its cost, but thats why those frames are $800. it uses tange tubing which is good/ better than no name tubing. its a very nice basic frame and it will last many years. my one problem with mine is that the paint it chipping in a few spots and that usually means rust, but thats another story. if you want a cheap reliable frame, go with PAKE