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Old 01-26-09, 02:27 PM   #1
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What is this technique of Wheel construction called?

What is the technique of twisting the spokes like this called?



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Old 01-26-09, 02:31 PM   #2
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I think it's just called twisting, but I could be wrong.
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crows foot, i believe, sturdy but a ***** to re-true ive heard
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Hard to tell what's going on in that pic, but:

Crow's Foot:


Twisted spokes:

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crows foot, i believe, sturdy but a ***** to re-true ive heard
I would agree with the difficulty of truing but sturdy I would certainly disagree. also a pretty heavy build if my memory serves since the spoke length needs to be longer (not that you are concerned with this if you are interested in a twisted wheel but just putting the facts out there).
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i think it's ugly.
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Woah.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Twis...ng---flowers!/
Seems like WAY more trouble than it could possibly be worth, if it's worth anything at all.
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I would most definitely call twisting a strong lacing pattern. Any spoke with weight on it is equally splitting that pressure with the spoke next to it. This means the pressure is always more evenly distributed along the whole wheel, which will make the wheel less likely to become untrue.

Ted Shred rides with twisted spokes front and back, and has been doing so for years, and last time I talked to him about his wheels he just got a new set and was saying his last set hadn't been trued in over 8 months, that's not bad. I would say he is about 190lb and pretty tough on his wheels. He holds the world record for highest bunny hop on a fixed gear, of I think it was 55cm. Now I am not sure what wheel set he did that on, but I know he went to Japan a little over a month ago for another competition and he was using his twisted spoke wheels (deep V wood grain variation on paul hubs, not sure what spokes were other than white) so he must be confident in them.
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What is the technique of twisting the spokes like this called?
It's called more trouble than it's worth. There are better ways to make your bike look unique and individual. Try something that better adds functionality, or increases rideability, like a pair of carbon fiber fenders
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Woah.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Twis...ng---flowers!/
Seems like WAY more trouble than it could possibly be worth, if it's worth anything at all.
It sure looks cool...
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I've got a 32h crow's foot-alternate-radial front, and it's awesome. Hasn't significantly gone out of true in a year and a half. I think I put a quarter turn on 2 spokes a few months ago.

My crow's foot rear wheel was another story. The wheelbuilder put the radials on the wrong side of the crossing spokes (inside or out, I don't remember) which put too much lateral stress on the radial spokes and they kept popping. Relaced that as a 4x and it's bombproof. These are both veep rims.
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Woah.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Twis...ng---flowers!/
Seems like WAY more trouble than it could possibly be worth, if it's worth anything at all.
A pain to replace spokes on as well. Mine never went out of true, and was a decent ride in terms of comfort, but getting someone to replce the spokes when they went was impossible.
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A pain to replace spokes on as well. Mine never went out of true, and was a decent ride in terms of comfort, but getting someone to replce the spokes when they went was impossible.
Keep one (labeled) untwisted spoke in your parts bin so you know what size to get/find
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technically, its called a waste of time and money, but ive been calling it braided/twisted 4 cross. the wheels arent as strong as 3 cross (which is pretty much the ideal pattern for everyday use) and i had to true one in the shop this past summer and it sucked. obviously this tarckster doesnt care and he has an infinite source of money (parents) to fund his new hobbies
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that front wheel was stolen....it was posted on sffixed i believe
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just called twisted spokes, they are pretty, but i would be hard to be gotten to ride a set.
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I would most definitely call twisting a strong lacing pattern. Any spoke with weight on it is equally splitting that pressure with the spoke next to it. This means the pressure is always more evenly distributed along the whole wheel, which will make the wheel less likely to become untrue.

Ted Shred rides with twisted spokes front and back, and has been doing so for years, and last time I talked to him about his wheels he just got a new set and was saying his last set hadn't been trued in over 8 months, that's not bad. I would say he is about 190lb and pretty tough on his wheels. He holds the world record for highest bunny hop on a fixed gear, of I think it was 55cm. Now I am not sure what wheel set he did that on, but I know he went to Japan a little over a month ago for another competition and he was using his twisted spoke wheels (deep V wood grain variation on paul hubs, not sure what spokes were other than white) so he must be confident in them.
He loaned my girlfriend a Pista with a set of those wheels on it. I believe he said they're 9 years old and have been reliable as hell. There's a dent in the back rim from being hit by a truck. They're also a very smooth ride.
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technically, its called a waste of time and money, but ive been calling it braided/twisted 4 cross. the wheels arent as strong as 3 cross (which is pretty much the ideal pattern for everyday use) and i had to true one in the shop this past summer and it sucked. obviously this tarckster doesnt care and he has an infinite source of money (parents) to fund his new hobbies
You never know man, he could have done it himself, and for all you know he could have worked his ass off to pay for what he has...... maybe?
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I would most definitely call twisting a strong lacing pattern. Any spoke with weight on it is equally splitting that pressure with the spoke next to it. This means the pressure is always more evenly distributed along the whole wheel, which will make the wheel less likely to become untrue.

Ted Shred rides with twisted spokes front and back, and has been doing so for years, and last time I talked to him about his wheels he just got a new set and was saying his last set hadn't been trued in over 8 months, that's not bad. I would say he is about 190lb and pretty tough on his wheels. He holds the world record for highest bunny hop on a fixed gear, of I think it was 55cm. Now I am not sure what wheel set he did that on, but I know he went to Japan a little over a month ago for another competition and he was using his twisted spoke wheels (deep V wood grain variation on paul hubs, not sure what spokes were other than white) so he must be confident in them.
world record lol. i would think TML or sam miller could bunny hop higher... in the grand scheme of fixed gears 21 inches isn't THAT high.
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I would most definitely call twisting a strong lacing pattern. Any spoke with weight on it is equally splitting that pressure with the spoke next to it. This means the pressure is always more evenly distributed along the whole wheel, which will make the wheel less likely to become untrue.

Ted Shred rides with twisted spokes front and back, and has been doing so for years, and last time I talked to him about his wheels he just got a new set and was saying his last set hadn't been trued in over 8 months, that's not bad. I would say he is about 190lb and pretty tough on his wheels. He holds the world record for highest bunny hop on a fixed gear, of I think it was 55cm. Now I am not sure what wheel set he did that on, but I know he went to Japan a little over a month ago for another competition and he was using his twisted spoke wheels (deep V wood grain variation on paul hubs, not sure what spokes were other than white) so he must be confident in them.
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Keep one (labeled) untwisted spoke in your parts bin so you know what size to get/find
Not getting a spoke, getting someone to rebuild/tension it when it needed. Half the lbs I went to when I had my wheel like that had no idea how to lace the spoke.
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Are these the new arrospok? I'm just waiting for someone to drop the term "bombproof" to make it official.
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