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Old 01-26-09, 09:13 PM   #1
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A question for aerospokkers

What exactly is the appeal?
I, personally, think that they make any and every bike I see them on look extra stupid.
Is it all aesthetics? Or are there any performance enhancements that make them worth the complete *****ery that they add to a bicycle?

Completely serious question.

Why?
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Old 01-26-09, 09:17 PM   #2
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They're heavy. I guess they're "aero" but i don't know if that would make any sort of difference.
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Old 01-26-09, 09:18 PM   #3
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Aesthetic appeal. To each their own. I don't run an Aerospoke anymore, switched to a Hed. 3 front.
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Old 01-26-09, 09:22 PM   #4
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Same type of thing though. So you like how it looks? That's it, right?
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Old 01-26-09, 09:27 PM   #5
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The higher end composite wheels are different than the aerospoke in terms of quailty.
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Old 01-27-09, 01:19 AM   #6
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Of course it's about aerodynamics. Nothing Else.

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weight isn't too big an issue on the track. at racing speed im sure they can be aero....but its old technology, kinda obsolete in terms of performance advantage, and is run primarily because some people actually do like the way they look.

before fixxed gear was a craze, messengers would or could buy an aerospoke on the cheap. they're easy to lock up quickly, (were) cheap, and even then, was different-looking, which people are often into.


i dont like em personaly....but the OP kinda works from the assumption that "aerospokes make a bike look ugly" so in that light, asking "so why do you run them?" is rhetorical. similar to asking someone "are you stupid or something?"
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Old 01-27-09, 07:19 AM   #8
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Stupid thread.
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weight isn't too big an issue on the track. at racing speed im sure they can be aero....but its old technology, kinda obsolete in terms of performance advantage, and is run primarily because some people actually do like the way they look.

before fixxed gear was a craze, messengers would or could buy an aerospoke on the cheap. they're easy to lock up quickly, (were) cheap, and even then, was different-looking, which people are often into.


i dont like em personaly....but the OP kinda works from the assumption that "aerospokes make a bike look ugly" so in that light, asking "so why do you run them?" is rhetorical. similar to asking someone "are you stupid or something?"
weight makes a diff and the fact that aerospokes aren't known to be the most "rigid" composite wheels either.... they are super flexy imho.
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Of course it's about aerodynamics. Nothing Else.

Because this car will ever go fast enough to require the added down force generated by the spoiler...perfect example.
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Old 01-27-09, 07:53 AM   #11
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Dude the original Aeropok is done for. It's all about the wheelchair spoks now baby!!

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Heds, Aerospokes, are a very old style of areodynamics. They were very popular in the 80's mid 90's. Beside looks, which I think ruin a bike as well, they do not increase speed or aerodynamics at all.
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because people like them?

to me, they look good on the right bike. But if you don't get it right...it's ALL kinds of wrong.
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Heds, Aerospokes, are a very old style of areodynamics. They were very popular in the 80's mid 90's. Beside looks, which I think ruin a bike as well, they do not increase speed or aerodynamics at all.
old tech?.... i guess that that's why people STILL use HEDs in the Tour..... i have YET to see a professional road/track rider use an arrospoke.....if that's an indication of anything.

dont increase speed or aerodynamics? .... u do realize that parts of bikes are wind tunnel tested when u start looking into higher end parts. A HED is asymmetrical in design like an aircraft wing unlike the 'spoke...

YES, i agree that most fg riders u see on the street with heds or spokes aren't riding at speeds which these aero advantages come into play, BUT one cannot deny that there is a BIG difference between heds and spokes...
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I cant wait til Mavic iO's come in clinchers and are $300 LOL
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Before selling them, I rodde mine for a year and a half. Great wheels I thought. They weren't heavy to me (even though they were heavy in comparision by a long shot, but I think a lot of the complaints about them being heavy come from riders who are much lighter than me where it will be a bit more noticeable - I'm 190lbs) because I thought of them as good weight training and they were very durable. I didn't do tricks on them I rode them in all weather except when it became really cold (you risk cracking them that way). I did a century tour with them and many rough road rides. There was a time I hat a huge pot hole and I thought the rear wheel was cracked. I checked it out and not even a slight wobble. I liked them for looks, butit was my shared goal in getting them foras durability as well, which I feel they were.


When I switched out the wheels for a newly built set, I immediately understood why many were saying they were flexy...they really are! I thought I had a new bike when I put spoked wheels on. The handling and overall feel of the bike stiffened up. I still like the way they look, but for performance I'd say look elsewhere. I bought them before there was this crazy price jump, but I wouldn't buy them again at the current market.

Here they were on a few bikes (along with their stages) I had (* I only had one pair, I would just switch them between bikes)








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Same type of thing though. So you like how it looks? That's it, right?
this is a dumb thread. you basically wanted someone to say that. you already knew what answer you were looking for, so why bother?
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old tech?.... i guess that that's why people STILL use HEDs in the Tour..... i have YET to see a professional road/track rider use an arrospoke.....if that's an indication of anything.

dont increase speed or aerodynamics? .... u do realize that parts of bikes are wind tunnel tested when u start looking into higher end parts. A HED is asymmetrical in design like an aircraft wing unlike the 'spoke...

YES, i agree that most fg riders u see on the street with heds or spokes aren't riding at speeds which these aero advantages come into play, BUT one cannot deny that there is a BIG difference between heds and spokes...
Seconded, people need to quit comparing heds to aerospokes. Just because they're both spokeless doesn't mean they're comparable.
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this is a dumb thread. you basically wanted someone to say that. you already knew what answer you were looking for, so why bother?
No, I actually wanted someone to tell me that they were useful beyond aesthetics.
I just wondered why people use them. That is all. I think they look dumb, others don't, but SOMEONE out there must have a valid reason for using them.

Gyeswho had a reasonable response. Thanks.
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Heds, Aerospokes, are a very old style of areodynamics. They were very popular in the 80's mid 90's. Beside looks, which I think ruin a bike as well, they do not increase speed or aerodynamics at all.
This man speeks troof. I have one on my bike and the reason i like it is because the hub is so much better than the formula i previously had. I do go with the gimmicks of a heavy wheel and rolling weight etc though.
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People were saying they are bombproof? Or were those the deep vs?
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People were saying they are bombproof? Or were those the deep vs?
It's a velocity aerohead rim glued into a composite (really heavy plastic) wheel-base. So yes they're very strong. I saw a video of some kid breaking his going down a 4 set though.
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I like them, I'd get a set at a reasonable price. I think they look sick, and as performance, I'd welcome the softer ride to counteract the stiff riding track frame.

I like all carbon spokes, they look trick, and with a "fixie" thats all that matters, right?
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I like them, I'd get a set at a reasonable price. I think they look sick, and as performance, I'd welcome the softer ride to counteract the stiff riding track frame.

I like all carbon spokes, they look trick, and with a "fixie" thats all that matters, right?
wrong.
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the last sentence was sarcasm

I'd still rock a set of 'spokes, they're ill
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