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Old 01-31-09, 04:25 PM   #1
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Another Bareknuckle Thread (Toe Overlap)

I am looking to get a Bareknuckle 50 or 52 (I am right in between sizes)

My setup will be: MKS Sylvan Track pedals and medium-sized toe cages with 165 crank arms.

How much of a difference in toe overlap will there be from the 50 to the 52 frame?
Or should I even get a bareknuckle for the money? Would an Angus, Rush, Speciale Sprint, Etc be a better use of money?

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Old 01-31-09, 04:53 PM   #2
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ive dealt with 52's and 48's and the toe overlap is similar on both. i have large cages and 170mm cranks and there's pretty much overlap but it's nothing you don't just get used to. bareknuckles are great frames, though fairly overpriced nowadays. soma's probably your best deal though...
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Old 01-31-09, 05:18 PM   #3
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bareknuckles are great frames, though fairly overpriced nowadays.
Weren't they like 495 not too long ago? What happened?
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Demand happened. Plus I think it's easier to obtain a frame from a company like Soma, instead of going through a middle man like company (EAI) who obtain the bike from an Italian shop. If EAI could be cut out from the process (and perhaps the bike wasn't from Italy) I'm sure it would be a lot cheaper still. Oh wells...
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Demand happened. Plus I think it's easier to obtain a frame from a company like Soma, instead of going through a middle man like company (EAI) who obtain the bike from an Italian shop. If EAI could be cut out from the process (and perhaps the bike wasn't from Italy) I'm sure it would be a lot cheaper still. Oh wells...
You hit the nail right on the head! Even though the frame is very well made people are driving its price higher everyday by buying it because its made in Italy and because its not a bike made in asia like everything else.
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Supply and demand economics aside, something isn't right. Typically if there is a large demand on a retail item they just run out of stock and you wait till the next batch comes out with a slight 5-10% year over year increase. Sounds like someone isn't playing the same game. Makes you wonder who owns that shop where they are made.
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Supply and demand economics aside, something isn't right. Typically if there is a large demand on a retail item they just run out of stock and you wait till the next batch comes out with a slight 5-10% year over year increase. Sounds like someone isn't playing the same game. Makes you wonder who owns that shop where they are made.
I agree, but maybe that's because I love a good ole conspiracy
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Bareknuckes are way overpriced these days. I own one. I have no toe overlap issues, but thats because I ride a 58 and use clipless pedals. My BK is nice, but its not that special. I recommend a Soma Rush. Its appears to be just as nice (if not nicer) and way cheaper.
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There's a couple bike shops around here that stock the Rush. I'll go and check them out!
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I have a 52 with gr9s and medium cages. There is overlap but it is so little that the tire can actually rub past the overlap on occasion. It is nothing to worry about.

Not the best pic to show overlap but...
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^ Same for me, it's practically negligible. Also, BK's are overpriced, I only have one cause I met a guy off CL that kicked me down all his ****, on agreement that if I wanted to sell the frame I'd sell it back to him and not do some shady e-bay resale.
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BKs are overpriced due to the fact that they're made in Europe-whose Euro is stronger than the American dollar. We're also in a recession right now.
Still an excellent frame.
Want expensive? Check the ones made in Japan now. Fecal matter's crazy pricey. Tubing's rounder too.
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So if I am reading correctly, the BKs are overpriced and the Soma Rush is a comparable frame-set that is reasonably priced?

I am on the look out for a used BK to avoid the overpriced retail cost. And although I do prefer the 1 1/8" straight blade fork and over all looks of the BK to the Rush's 1" curved fork and over all looks, I can't ignore the Rush. And going by what I have read in regards to Bk vs Rush, I am going to assume that a new Rush with new ChrisKing for $450 is a better deal than a used BK with used ChrisKing for $550. Any opinions?
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BKs are overpriced due to the fact that they're made in Europe-whose Euro is stronger than the American dollar. We're also in a recession right now.
Still an excellent frame.
Want expensive? Check the ones made in Japan now. Fecal matter's crazy pricey. Tubing's rounder too.
Dollar is actually a little stronger now than it was a few years ago against the Euro. Recession should make things cheaper since businesses need to sell.
I also don't think that steel has risen much in price lately either although I think there was a brief spike..., companies can hedge against these too. Anyway enough on this.
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I am going to assume that a new Rush with new ChrisKing for $450 is a better deal than a used BK with used ChrisKing for $550. Any opinions?
In my opinion...yes. Both frames are well made, are name-brand tubing, and "track" geometry. Moreover, the Rush has a 4-5 year warrantee. When I bought my BK, I asked about a warrantee and their response was, "It won't break". F that. Get the Rush. I have heard that the BK has a stiffer BB, but who knows if that is really the case. At any rate, either frame is plenty stiff for what most people use them for.
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