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    Smaller Frames without Toe Overlap

    Does anyone know of a 50/51 cm bike frame that doesn't get toe overlap?

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    The only realistic way to minimize toe overlap on small frames is to design the frame around smaller wheels.
    Don't let toe overlap prevent you from getting the frame you want. It's no big deal and becomes a non-issue after a few rides.

    All my 700c wheeled bikes have some degree of toe overlap. Bikes with no overlap are my 2 26" wheeled bikes, 1 mountain, 1 tourer.
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    Don't worry about the toe overlap, if you do find on the geometry will probably be all stretched out and janky looking

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    I don't know if the SE Lagers in that size don't have toe overlap, but I know my 56cm doesn't
    It's bad when you're 19 and people consider you an "old geezer" in the current FG community.

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    If you use crank arms's length: 140, 145, 150, 155, it won't has toe overlap.. If you wanted 165 or 170..Ouch! we will see you in hosptial or funeral.. Mm..

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERGOD View Post
    If you wanted 165 or 170..Ouch! we will see you in hosptial or funeral
    Toe overlap does not kill. It's just an annoyance for some initially if they've never experienced it before.
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    Here are two sweet track frames that are 51cm i'm pretty sure that small of a frame is hard to come by
    http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-60S-DIAMANT...|39:1|240:1318

    http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-60S-DIAMANT...|39:1|240:1318

    Wont come cheap though by the looks

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    If you use crank arms's length: 140, 145, 150, 155, it won't has toe overlap
    I've been thinking about shorter cranks, but I wasnt sure if it would make it harder to pedal, lock up for a skid, or make me spin out too easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cow View Post
    I've been thinking about shorter cranks, but I wasnt sure if it would make it harder to pedal, lock up for a skid, or make me spin out too easily.
    Can you not live with having toe overlap?
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    I've been dealing with it, but keeping up with my friends that don't have toe overlap and not being able to attempt most tricks has got me trying to find a solution.

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    do you ride under like 5 mph all the time? that's the only time i experience toe overlap. I would recommend some carbon soled bike shoes and moving the cleat as far forward as you can but something tells me it would get in the way of teh tricks

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    useless to worry about, seriously... why are all new folks concerned about this?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelley View Post
    do you ride under like 5 mph all the time? that's the only time i experience toe overlap. I would recommend some carbon soled bike shoes and moving the cleat as far forward as you can but something tells me it would get in the way of teh tricks
    Clipless, shorter cranks and smaller tires all help a little. Whether or not all the littles make up the difference is a bit of a crapshoot. A rakier fork may take care of it as well.
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    Just don't get a Kilo. Mad amount of overlap on most sizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgscordv6 View Post
    Just don't get a Kilo. Mad amount of overlap on most sizes.
    I have a 53 kilo, size 12 shoe and no toe overlap. I'm running spd's though.

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    You just get used to overlap. I have a tiny little track frame and 700cs and just learned to lean more when doing tight turns at low speeds. I can't imagine a small frame with standard wheels and no overlap, unless the wheelbase is incredibly long or something.

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    I actually get no toe overlap on the 51cm road frame I'm riding as fixed. I believe it's because the fork I'm running with it is 50mm though. I've seen a few fixable frames with 45mm rake forks, like the ones from felt, and the on one il pompino. If you get something with a more fork rake (road geo, not track geo), more top tube (and smaller stem), and shorter cranks, you could dodge toe overlap.

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    I got used to my toe overlap except when trackstanding. I always turn my wheel and hit my pedal when I'm trying to trackstand. It bugs the **** out of me. Guess I just have to get better at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scalawag View Post
    useless to worry about, seriously... why are all new folks concerned about this?!
    Maybe because they do ride around at 5mph much of the time. Riding without brakes tends to to be the reason. And tricks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadfix View Post
    Toe overlap does not kill. It's just an annoyance for some initially if they've never experienced it before.
    ROFL!! You can't accpet my joke.. Yes I know that it doesn't kill.. but lost their balance if wheel turn and hardly hit the shoe or toe clip which overlap. its could end up to control out and fall ..

    If cow really wanted to avoid the toe overlap.. just use spd which is best pedals and no overlap...
    Last edited by GMERGOD; 03-01-09 at 07:22 PM.

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    I ride frames that size, and every frame I've ridden gets decent amounts of overlap. It's a fact of life on smaller frames. IRO doesn't go down to 650s until their 46cm Heidi frame. As others have said, clipless helps, smaller tires too. Riding cranks smaller than 165 is dumb unless you're like 5 feet tall or less.

    I really don't find it to be an issue at all, I only run into it when I'm moving my wheel around trying to trackstand on flat with my geared bike. No need to shift around so much on fixed with all that helpful back pressure, you turn the wheel away from your foot anyway.

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    Oh man, nevermind, the BMX/Fixed thread reminded me of this frame:



    http://www.thebikebiz.com/Sillgey_Pi...-trk-sil01.htm

    Just get that. I want one but I have no idea why...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddac View Post
    Moto Mess, Dawes SST, SE Lager, Dawes Clockwork in size 52 does NOT have toe overlap
    Same with a 52cm Windsor The Hour.

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    If you don't want toe overlap, you have two options:

    Get a Schwinn Varsity and convert that
    Choose a frame with 650c wheels

    If you want to ride a big-boy bike, then just learn to ****ing deal with it.
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