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Old 03-01-09, 02:39 PM   #1
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Vallie Components Hubs

Pretty new and awesome, they are in beta testing now and in the Indianapolis show this weekend:






http://valliecomponents.com/
http://cyclingwmd.blogspot.com/2009/...-beefiest.html

Disclaimer: I've got no financial or other interest in this company, but Lyle's a great guy and part of the extended ZooBomb family, so I'm just trying to spread the word; these hubs don't really need any advertising, they should sell themselves!

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Old 03-01-09, 03:32 PM   #2
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now that looks SOLID!
if it's a great product, it should definitely sell.
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Old 03-01-09, 04:43 PM   #3
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Wohoo! Another proprietary track hub design!
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Old 03-01-09, 06:44 PM   #4
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Wow, I bet that's expensive. Attractive, though.
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i don't like that the bolt heads stick over the lip of the cog... other than that it's pretty sweet.
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Old 03-01-09, 09:07 PM   #6
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i don't like that the bolt heads stick over the lip of the cog... other than that it's pretty sweet.
necessary 'cause the bolts are standard ISO size and it's a 15T cog; the lip on the cog is designed to be wide enough to accommodate the chain plates, w/o interfering with the bolt heads.

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Beautiful.
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iso brake cog hub

been keeping my eye on these for a few months.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lyledriver/2878239033/
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Old 03-01-09, 11:26 PM   #9
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they look like they should weigh more that 450 grams.
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Pretty new and awesome, they are in beta testing now and in the Indianapolis show this weekend:
Proprietary cogs?
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Isn't that a disc brake hub?
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These were conceived and designed one floor upstairs from where I'm typing. You truly have to see one of these side-by-side with a Phil to get a proper sense of just how burly they really are.

The cogs aren't proprietary. They utilize International Standard disc drilling and are readily available from at least two other sources: Tomicog and London Fixie Bike.
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they look like they should weigh more that 450 grams.
I weighed mine before I built it up and, without the cog, it weighs 463g. The cog weighs less than the EAI cog I took off.



More photos here.
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They look gorgeous.
Though i'm curious-- what's the benefit of bolt on vs screw on hubs? aside from the occasional knucklehead, are stripped hubs a big problem, or is this meant to resolve some other issue?
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For those wondering, the weight (with 6 bolts) is 470grams. A Phil hub with lockring is 390g. Mine are designed to be abused though.

The bolt pattern is 6xM5 44mm BCD (the ISO disc brake standard). Level hubs use a smaller BCD 3 bolt pattern, which is proprietary and patented, making it exclusive. I feel that the 6 bolt pattern is plenty strong enough for cogs, and with more companies making cogs, the better chance it has at becoming a standard. Cogs are currently made by Tomicog, Renovo Italy, and Velosolo.

I got a really good response at NAHBS this past weekend, and I have a few dealers interested in carrying them when I get into production quantities.

If you're into it, add the RSS link from my site to your reader, I'll be posting updates as they come.
http://zoobomb.net/forums/index.php?...56782#msg56782
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Those look burly, but I think that White Ind. has a better design.

So pretty
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Hey, thanks for the kind words and feedback guys.

Both the Level hubs and the white industry hubs are indeed beautiful designs. There's no doubt about that. I don't expect my product to be for everyone.

The idea behind this hub is for it to be SIMPLE and ROBUST. Its taken a while to get this project off the ground because there are a lot of intricate little details that have to be taken care of when designing a product meant to take abuse.

I'll be updating my site as progress comes along=]
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Cogs are currently made by Tomicog, Renovo Italy, and Velosolo
Boone makes an ISO cog also.
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i don't like that the bolt heads stick over the lip of the cog... other than that it's pretty sweet.
Why would that be a problem with a fixed gear?
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Nice

I run a similar set-up on my mountain bikes with a Tomicog. I like being able to easily swap gears depending if it's going to be a long day of climbing, slow technical or fast track. I've been hoping someone would so something like this with a 120 hub. Any estimated ETA and pricing yet, or is it still too early in prototyping?
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Old 03-18-09, 10:38 AM   #21
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Its a bit early yet. I am aiming to do the revision soon, and an autumn release.
Thanks,
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Lyledriver:

Is this cnc machined or cold forged? What is your retail outlet going to be or will this be a web store?

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This version was CNCed out of 6061 billet. I may move to 7075 for the bearing collars on the next revision. I have installed a zencart on my site to use for the webstore, though I'll be working with a few shops for resale as well.
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I've been hoping someone would so something like this with a 120 hub.
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Last Sunday I rode this hub around the whole island of Manhattan, with a brief excursion into Brooklyn. The hub is redonculously beefy, and the Vallie cog on it was nice and quiet---Lyle is experimenting with tooth profiles and the version I got seemed to work quite well with the chain i was using.

There is a good argument to be made for a purely ISO disc interface with no proprietary splines on it: there is more than one company making cogs to fit it. We'll see how they hold up over the long term, but I haven't heard anything about failures yet. Keep in mind that this is a system that is intended to bear quite a lot of repeated torsional force from disc braking.
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