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Old 03-02-09, 08:13 PM   #1
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Noob Lockring Help

I picked up a nice pair of Velocity Deep V wheels from Craigslist - they're almost new. The wheels didn't come with a cog or lockring. I visited the LBS and they had Surly cogs and rings....we put the cog on w/no problem but the lockring went on about a 1/8 turn and it was obvious that it didn't fit. Their mechanic (who admitted that he didn't know anything about fixed gear bikes - he couldn't even find a lockring wrench!) thought there was something wrong with the hub - but it looks perfect. The threads are new.

On the Surly web site, I see their lockrings fit all but Campy and old French hubs. There's nothing on the hub that indicates brand or model.

Is there a way to tell for sure what kind of hub I have? If it's a Campy hub, where could I get the lock ring to fit? (didn't see any on Ebay)

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Old 03-02-09, 08:34 PM   #2
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Pics would help. There are several other hubs that use Campagnolo compatible lockrings. Miche, Phil, etc.
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I picked up a nice pair of Velocity Deep V wheels from Craigslist - they're almost new. The wheels didn't come with a cog or lockring. I visited the LBS and they had Surly cogs and rings....we put the cog on w/no problem but the lockring went on about a 1/8 turn and it was obvious that it didn't fit. Their mechanic (who admitted that he didn't know anything about fixed gear bikes - he couldn't even find a lockring wrench!) thought there was something wrong with the hub - but it looks perfect. The threads are new.

On the Surly web site, I see their lockrings fit all but Campy and old French hubs. There's nothing on the hub that indicates brand or model.

Is there a way to tell for sure what kind of hub I have? If it's a Campy hub, where could I get the lock ring to fit? (didn't see any on Ebay)

Thanks!
Campy lockrings.
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Old 03-02-09, 08:54 PM   #4
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doesnt look like campy to me...and if it was it would most likely say it somewhere on the hub
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show the wheels too, did they have velocity stickers? i bought the weinmann dp18's or whatever that look like deep v's and those look like my hubs exactly, took my bike shop worker a few tries to find one that fits.
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Formulas: Standard lockrings should fit.

Are you turning the lockring to the left? Remember its a reverse thread, but the cog is standard righty-tighty.

Also, watch your bearing adjustment. Mine have this tendency to loosen up on me.
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Old 03-02-09, 09:56 PM   #8
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Those look like basic Formula hubs. grease your lockring, check to make sure there aren't any burrs on the lockring or hub threads, and try to hand thread it on slowly. Don't try to force it on though, you could risk stripping the hub. Make sure you're threading it on counter-clockwise too, the lockring and the cog are reverse threaded from one another. Tighten with a lockring spanner.
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Both myself and the mechanic tried to thread the Surly lockring on. There's no way it would fit. Yeah - I know it goes on backwards....that wasn't the issue. The ring wasn't big enough. Here's the whole wheel..stickers are not on it.
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tangerine dream FTW, hope you get this worked out this bike is kickin.
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Old 03-02-09, 10:26 PM   #12
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did you get those off IRO's bargain basement?
No idea where they originally came from. Like I said, it was a craigslist purchase.
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this reminds me of the thread few months back where someone's cog wouldn't thread all the way and more than 1 person with the same cog had the same issue. granted, this isn't the same issue but try to clean the threads really well on both the lock ring and the hub. then regrease and try again. if that doesn't work, try with different lock rings. visit different shops if you have to get a better selection. i understand this might be a different issue but those are pretty much the only options you got.
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are you turning the lockring to the left? Remember its a reverse thread, but the cog is standard righty-tighty.
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Old 03-03-09, 06:46 AM   #15
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OK....the seller got back to me and said that he used a Shimano ring on the wheels.
Interesting! Maybe the store had defective ring?

And yes....we were turning it the right way!!!
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That bike is hawt. I love me some orange Messenger. (the rims will complement the frame nicely too.)
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The ring wasn't big enough.
Which side did you try to install it on?
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You know they are reverse threaded right?
I didnt!

{oops, someone already said that....**
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Which side did you try to install it on?
Probably the side which didn't feature lockring threads. rofl.
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Ouch! I'm a nooooob.....not an idiot.
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What exactly do you mean when you say it doesn't fit, if it was on an eighth of a turn?
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It is possible for the first thread or so to be damaged so that the lockring will not appear to engage.
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Nah.....the threads are fine. Even the mechanic tried to put it on and failed. It seemed to go on a little bit of a turn but just stopped. I'll be stopping at another shop tomorrow. I have another wheel w/a cog and ring. Let's see if they can move them to the new wheel. I'm agreeing with the posters above...it sure looks like a formula hub...so the Surly should have worked.
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That bike is hawt. I love me some orange Messenger. (the rims will complement the frame nicely too.)
Throwing more orange parts to an already very orange frame is not complimenting at all
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Throwing more orange parts to an already very orange frame is not complimenting at all
It is if you like orange.

Saying that you dont like something is not complimenting at all either.
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