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Old 03-25-09, 03:53 AM   #1
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Mavic CXP22 w/ Conti Gatorskins

So I recently got a pair of Mavic CXP22's and 700x25 Continental Gatorskins. The tires are SUPER tight. I manage to get one tire on with a lot of time and energy, but the second tire just wouldn't go on after an hour of wrestling with it and lots of blistered hands. Has anyone else had this problem? I figured this would be a popular tire/rim combo. I do have 17mm velox tape, could that be the problem?

I don't think I want to ride such tight tires because when I get a flat on the road, it'll be near impossible to change out. What are good alternatives to gatorskins that wouldn't be so tight on my rim? I'm looking for flat protection but also a relatively comfortable ride.

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Old 03-25-09, 04:28 AM   #2
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My gator skin (23mm) was equally tight. Sorry, I don't have any suggestions though.
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gators are usually pretty hard to get on.
unfortunately its the same with most puncture resistant tires due the excessively thick sidewalls.
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I'd assume that the more you take them on and off, that they might get a little bit easier, but I'm not positive. I have a 23c folding gatorskin on my rear CXP22 wheel and haven't had a flat yet (knock on wood).
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Old 03-25-09, 06:44 AM   #5
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This might be the wrong question, but did you try applying a bit of soapy water to the bead of the tire before putting it on? It can make an amazing amount of difference.

Of course, that doesn't help in terms of fixing a flat roadside, but I still wanted to throw it out there.
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Old 03-25-09, 06:54 AM   #6
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use a tire lever... shouldnt be that hard
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Try using tire levers to get them on. I put my tires back on with levers and you don't get pinch flats if you do it properly.
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What is the proper technique in using the levers to put on tires? I tried using them last night but I didn't really know what I was doing with them. Nothing I tried seemed to work.
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all conti tires are tight as **** to get on the rim
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When you have one side on and you run into tight spots on the other side, just stick the flat end of the lever underneath the bead (so between the tire and the rim). Then lever it up using the rim as a pivot. As you lift up the other end of the lever (the end not resting on the rim) it'll lift the bead up and over the rim.

It's pretty simple although difficult to explain clearly. It's pretty much just doing the removal procedure in reverse. Be careful not to snag and tear the tube in the process
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the wire bead gatorskins are a *****, kevlar bead aren't so bad
tire levers are a must, there are any number of tutorials on youtube
any road tire worth a damn will be tight enough when its new to require tire levers
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all conti tires are tight as **** to get on the rim
i put some conti twisters on pretty easily...not sure how puncture resistant they are though
i am hoping to get my randonneurs today, i am excited about putting skinnier tires on
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I dont need a tire lever to put mine on. i have 23 gatorskins on a cxp33 and i havent used a tire lever in a while. i had to when i got them, but they give a little more now. and try not using a tire lever until then end, get as much on by thumbing it then go to the lever. i always end by the valve stem so if i do need to use a lever i can push the tube up by pressing the stem up and not worry about pinch flats. hope it helps
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It's a Conti thing. Clincher, tubular, road, cross, or mountain, it doesn't matter. They all fit really tight. With clinchers, though, as long as you get the tube set in the tire before going to full pressure, you'll never pinchflat.
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No...no...no...Tire levers are to remove a tire not install it. If you are having a lot of trouble the tube is likely hanging up somewhere and you'll get a pinch flat. Give the old college try again. This time apply liquid dish soap on the inside of the rim and tire bead. With a little muscle and some constipated grunting sounds it will pop on.

Good luck.
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Go to the gym. Work your finger, hand, wrist, and forearm muscles. Build those muscles up nice and big, and try to install the tire again after a few weeks.

Also, the folding version is easier to get on and off.
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No...no...no...Tire levers are to remove a tire not install it. If you are having a lot of trouble the tube is likely hanging up somewhere and you'll get a pinch flat. Give the old college try again. This time apply liquid dish soap on the inside of the rim and tire bead. With a little muscle and some constipated grunting sounds it will pop on.

Good luck.
Sorry, with some rims I absolutely need to use levers to get a conti tire on. Haven't ruined a tube yet doing that.
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While tire levers can be used to install a tire, they should be only used as a last resort. I've installed tires on hundreds of different tire and rim comboinations, and have only had to use a tire lever less than a dozen times.
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Kool-stop bead seat jack. Costs $10.

You don't need one, but it makes putting tires back on literally a 2-second job. Worth the $10 to remove the frustration of changing tires and fixing flats. And it doesn't hurt the tube like using tire levers can.
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make sure theres a little bit of air in the tube, just enough to the point where when you use your levers the tube isnt going to fold under between the rim and the lever. i cant tell you how many tubes ive pinched like that. +a little bit of pam cooking oil works wonders if you spray the bead.
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People put on tires without tire levers?
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No...no...no...Tire levers are to remove a tire not install it.
No No No. Opposable thumbs are for using tools, not brute force...
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gatorskins get easier to install and remove after theyve been mounted for a bit.
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