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Old 03-27-09, 09:56 AM   #1
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Like my Pista would I LOVE a Pista Concept?

So I recently got a nice little chunk of cash and the only thing I can think about is a new build. I currently have a Pista that I ride about 200 miles a week and like very much. I was just wondering if a Concept would be that much better and worth spending my newly found wealth on.
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Old 03-27-09, 10:04 AM   #2
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Same geo. If you'd rather put 200 miles a week on something much stiffer and more fragile (as far as locking up), by all means go for it.
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Old 03-27-09, 12:08 PM   #3
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way, way lighter. Makes a difference.
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Old 03-27-09, 02:49 PM   #4
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You'll be much more comfortable on steel than you will on aluminum. People neglect that the Concept is intended to be as stiff as possible. Velodromes don't have bumps.
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Old 03-27-09, 05:24 PM   #5
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Depends on the roads. Personally I'd go for a really nice steel frame or if I were to sink in that kind of money to an aluminium frame, I'd go with a Cinelli Vigorelli
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your money would be better spent on components. carbon fork, smoother headset, nice stem... stuff like this.
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Old 03-27-09, 07:46 PM   #7
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You'll be much more comfortable on steel than you will on aluminum. People neglect that the Concept is intended to be as stiff as possible. Velodromes don't have bumps.
Velodromes can be bumpy as hell... I know my local one is.

Rode the Concept out there yesterday though and harshness was not a concern. In fact, harshness isn't a concern either riding it on the street with Open Pro CD's and a carbon seatpost.

I think rider weight / height comes into play in this too though.

My advice to the OP: if you notice the Pista being flexy as hell and am not into it, you may like the Concept. You'll basically be getting more stiffness, less weight and *possibly* more harshness but ride quality is not determined by frame alone.
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It's my understanding that the Pista USED TO have the same geometry as the Pista Concept. For 2009 (maybe 08, too) it's a bit more relaxed. Ask "richpugh".

That being said, I've owned both. They are very different bikes. As Andre noted, bigger guys can definitely feel the steel pista flex. Not so much the Concept. The Concept is fine on the street. Roadies ride more aluminum and carbon fiber on the street than steel for MUCH longer rides and get along just fine.

Finding a Pista Concept is another matter. It seems that at the peak of demand, Bianchi stopped producing them for the US. This, of course, leaves only the second-hand market for getting a Concept. I suggest maybe looking at a Felt TK2 or TK3 or Fuji Track Comp for a similar bike.
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the tk3 is basically the only bike i'd buy right now.
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the tk3 is basically the only bike i'd buy right now.
Yeah, the TK3 is dope. It was the bike I was gonna get...then I saw the TK2 with the upgraded cranks, bars, and rims (among other things) which I would have likely eventually upgraded. So, I thought "H*ll, I might as well just save more and buy the TK2." Then I wound up buying something different from a friend. Anyway...yes the TK3 is a very nice bike.

The Pista Concept used to retail complete for around $1,400. Based on Bianchi's increased price of the Pista, if it were still around the Concept would be around $1,500-1,600. The TK2 is $1,550.

http://www.feltracing.com/09-catalog...es/09-tk2.aspx

I would think of the TK3 as comparable to a Pista Concept frame/fork with Pista level components.

If you think you would upgrade the TK3, then just save up and get the TK2. You will come out cheaper in the long run. Plust the TK2 is available in 3 colors (black, white, gold) as opposed to the TK3's black only.
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I agree with Carleton and cc700... if you're going to spend the cash on true track bike the Felts are the way to go as far a bang for the buck. The Concepts have been so hyped up in the secondary you're paying a premium (at least from what I've seen) that could be spent on components or just put toward a real nice complete like the TK3. I've got a couple year old Fuji Track Pro that I bought new when it came out (now the Track Comp) that I really like; for both street and rec track riding. If you're not going to be riding on the track, and already have a bike then it seems like your money might be better spent on nice, quality components like Spooki said. At least that stuff you can migrate to a new frame if you so desire.

You should do your best to borrow an alum track bike and ride it for whatever distance/terrain you usually ride it for and see if it's comfortable for you. I'm a fit 220# and can ride about 50 comfortable rec miles on the fuji and another 10 semi-comfortable and then it goes down hill quick to completely uncomfortable whereas on the steel track with pretty much the same geometry and same seat I get 5-10 miles more in each catagory... but people I ride with are equal on both alum and steel. So your body type/composition/distance will play a role also...
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Plust the TK2 is available in 3 colors (black, white, gold) as opposed to the TK3's black only.
since when?
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since when?
Not sure when. But that's what the website says:

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Gloss White, Black, & Olympic Gold


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pretty sure it's one paintjob with those three colors...
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Not sure when. But that's what the website says:

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Gloss White, Black, & Olympic Gold


http://www.feltracing.com/09-catalog...es/09-tk2.aspx
i think that might be referring to the color scheme. i have only seen the tk2 in that colorway.
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pretty sure it's one paintjob with those three colors...
Oh, that makes sense. Maybe they should just call it "White with Black and Gold accents"
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i think that might be referring to the color scheme. i have only seen the tk2 in that colorway.
Yeah, I was just referring to the TK2. The TK3 is black with Red letters.
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Get a road or mtb. Change it up a little.
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