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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

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Old 03-30-09, 07:02 PM   #1
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Better parts = Better performance?

I want to start a debate on "Bike Vs. Spirit of rider"

As we all know, we do not have lots of $$$$ in our pocket, therefore, we would have limited price range for our bikes. But does a higher-end bike really mean a lot?

For example, I have a fixed gear bike "Raleigh Rush Hour 2009" bought it for $700.

Compare this bike to a higher-end bike, say...

This one:

Does price really mean a lot?

On a side note, I am asking you 'insiders' for a favour. Is my bike really worth $700? Because I am really new to bicycles and would like to know if I got a good deal or not.

Thank you.
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Old 03-30-09, 07:09 PM   #2
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First up, we have the younger urban white folks who absolutely love their fixed gear bicycles. These are seen all over college towns, Silverlake in LA, Williamsburg in Brooklyn, Queen West in Toronto, and Victoria, British Columbia. Fixed gear bicycles meet a lot of requirements for white person acceptance. They can be made from older (i.e. vintage) bicycles, thus allowing the rider to have a unique bike that is unlikely to be ridden by anyone else in town. They are also easily customizable with expensive things Aerospoke rims, Phil Wood Hubs, and Nitto Parts. The combination of rare bicycles and expensive parts makes it easy for white people to judge other white people on the quality and originality of their bicycles. This is important in determining if someone is or isnít cooler than you.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/10/61-bicycles/

sums it up quite well.
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Old 03-30-09, 07:10 PM   #3
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I assume that you're riding your bicycle on the street to commute and get around on, etc... If so, yes. You're much better off with that Rush Hour than you'd ever be on that other bike.
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Raleigh Rush Hour is a nice bike and I think it is good looking, too. You should be able to keep up with the best of them on that bike. Pefromance= 95% rider and 5% bike. I honestly think that is an accurate figure. That bike is not the HIGHEST end bike you can get, but i would say its pretty high up in "the rankings" Don't worry about the performance of your bike. Just ride it.
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people will not mistake your bike for a spaceship like the other one. but if you rode both bikes on the street then on the track you would see a huge difference both ways with your bike being much better on the street and the high end bike would be exponentially better on the track.
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Old 03-31-09, 06:27 AM   #6
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Since I am new, can I ask what exactly is the "Zen"?
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Here's how it goes. If a bike functions well, you can get a hell of a lot out of it. There are few things that are actually upgrades. There are some, but not a whole lot, and they're really not going to make you a hell of a lot faster.

In road racing, I've been seeing lots of entry-level racers with carbon rims, because they're now considered almost stock standard gear for racing... despite the fact that a lot of the riders sporting them aren't exactly being held back in field sprints by their gear. They're held back by the fact that they're not very good riders, yet. At higher levels, gear like that can maybe add 2 mph to your sprint (saving energy by being aerodynamic where it counts).

Much, much, much more crucial than better parts is an understanding of what is going to make you a better rider. Getting comfortable on the bike. Challenging your body. Working hard and recovering. Understanding how the bike works so that you can be a better bike handler, and understanding how your parts work so if something goes wrong you can fix it without breaking the bank.
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Old 03-31-09, 08:11 AM   #8
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It's all about the "spirit of the rider". Everything is about the human body and it's athletic compacity. It's like you playing golf with the best golf clubs on the market, and Tiger Woods playing with K-mart special clubs. Who will win?
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Old 03-31-09, 08:36 AM   #9
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To maximize what you get out of your bike, it should
1. fit
2. be made of decent, durable non-flimsy components
3. and be in good mechanical working condition.

Beyond that there is nothing you can do to the bike to make dramatic improvements. A few thousand dollars will remove a pound or two and/or slightly improve your aerodynamics. These improvements might gain you seconds and are therefore important for racing, but the same improvements are so small they have no practical value to the noncompetitive rider.

I don't know what the Raleigh is worth, but what you paid seems about right. its a decent bike and certainly is not going to hold you back.
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Fit is the most important "upgrade" IMHO.
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Oh and to answer your question about your bike. It is def worth $700, the rush hour is a great bike.
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For me upgrades have less to do with improving speed and performance (although that's nice too) and more to do with durability (I'm just a commuter/amateur enthusiast, not trying to beat anyone at anything, yet...). however, even the high-end components that are over-kill for 98% of the people who use them can go to **** fast without proper maintenance. I'd worry less about the sheer quality of the bike and it's individual components and more about the quality of care it receives. A well-maintained decent build beats a poorly maintained super-bike, imho.
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^absolutely
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part of the reason i love ultegra so much. seems like the last race capable group that doesn't break the bank AND puts durability on the short list of priorities...
not the lightest, but will last season after season.
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part of the reason i love ultegra so much. seems like the last race capable group that doesn't break the bank AND puts durability on the short list of priorities...
not the lightest, but will last season after season.
I didn't realize that 105 wasn't "race capable" anymore. Or force, rival, centaur, mirage and even ****ing tiagra.
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Since I am new, can I ask what exactly is the "Zen"?
You can ask but one cannot say. One must ride.
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You sound too philosophical to me to understand

But riding fixed does bring me more closer to the bike. And when I am on fixed, I'm more aware of what is going on around me.

Oh yeah, any you guys do tricks with fixed?
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better rider = better performance.
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Zen is the silly rant people who ride fixed give when they don't know how to explain what they like about riding fixed. When people ask, just say it's fun-- it's not profound, it's not unique, and it certainly has nothing to do with Buddhism.

Lots of people here do tricks. I mess around with whatever tricks can be done while actually going somewhere on the bike, but I don't really just ride in circles messing around much. Just not that exciting to me personally.
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Zen is the silly rant people who ride fixed give when they don't know how to explain what they like about riding fixed. When people ask, just say it's fun-- it's not profound, it's not unique, and it certainly has nothing to do with Buddhism.
Remember, the finger pointing at the track bike is not a track bike

And also someone posting on a bike forum is someone who isn't riding.
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what is the sound of one spinergy snapping?
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The truth is this.

Always buy the most expensive parts. They are more expensive because they are better. This is why I run Campy Super Record everything. Sure, you can cut corners by purchasing cheaper parts that will work fine and it will be easier on your wallet, but a REAL enthusiast doesn't care about the money. Because a part is more expensive, that 100% always means it's better, which means better performance.

This especially holds true for headsets.

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I have a record headset purchased on a bargain and I think it sucks.
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of handle bars do you have? And can drop handle bars do wheelies and KEO spins? I would like to know because I dont want to practice in the wrong direction.

Please help the nub out thanks!
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And finally, they love expensive Road Bikes and the accompanying spandex uniforms. This enables them to ride long distances and wear really tight clothes without any social stigmas. These types of riders will spend upwards of $5,000 on a bicycle and up to $400 on accessories, but will not ride to work. Perhaps because they cannot wear the spandex. It is important that you never question why someone needs a $5000 bicycle since the answer is always “performance.”
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