backpedaling-break hub for SS
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.....zurich is a flat sweet little city..... therefore one gear is
enough. but its more than just the practical reason; its love.
my singlespeed should not have only one gear but allso no
breaks................. but it is quiet difficult to find a nice new
backpedaling-break hub. all i found was an old ****ty hub on
our local junkyard :-(
---> any idea? thx, pasqual.
enough. but its more than just the practical reason; its love.
my singlespeed should not have only one gear but allso no
breaks................. but it is quiet difficult to find a nice new
backpedaling-break hub. all i found was an old ****ty hub on
our local junkyard :-(
---> any idea? thx, pasqual.
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first off they're called coaster brakes. it's a lot easier to find stuff if you know what it's called. secondly, look on ebay, go to the local bike shops and ask. i'm sure you can find one pretty easily.
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Originally Posted by pasqual.
.....zurich is a flat sweet little city..... therefore one gear is
enough. but its more than just the practical reason; its love.
my singlespeed should not have only one gear but allso no
breaks................. but it is quiet difficult to find a nice new
backpedaling-break hub. all i found was an old ****ty hub on
our local junkyard :-(
enough. but its more than just the practical reason; its love.
my singlespeed should not have only one gear but allso no
breaks................. but it is quiet difficult to find a nice new
backpedaling-break hub. all i found was an old ****ty hub on
our local junkyard :-(
Originally Posted by jitensha_de_go.
first off they're called coaster brakes. it's a lot easier to find stuff if you know what it's called. secondly, look on ebay, go to the local bike shops and ask. i'm sure you can find one pretty easily.
Historically, however, 'coaster brake' is an american term. Most other countries still refer to it as a 'back-pedal' brake. I'm not certain why but I think it has to do with american companys' (ca 1890's) desire to distinguish their 'modern' brake hub (with internal shoes or disks) from its predecessors (all kinds of contraptions that pressed pieces of wood or metal onto the tire tread). Apparently Europe and other places felt the improved performance would provide enough distinction.
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Jim, you say that the modern ones are pretty crappy, but are they seem to be absurdly cheap. Would they last you a season living in a pretty flat place? That is someplace where you wouldn't be burning them up on hills. It's just that for $15 a piece it seems you could buy a handful and just re-lace the wheel when the shoes wear out.
A coaster brake bike is in my future and I've been weighing my options.
A coaster brake bike is in my future and I've been weighing my options.
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Originally Posted by familyman
Jim, you say that the modern ones are pretty crappy, but are they seem to be absurdly cheap. Would they last you a season living in a pretty flat place? That is someplace where you wouldn't be burning them up on hills. It's just that for $15 a piece it seems you could buy a handful and just re-lace the wheel when the shoes wear out.
A coaster brake bike is in my future and I've been weighing my options.
A coaster brake bike is in my future and I've been weighing my options.
So yes flat terrain does make a huge difference. My main concerns are for those who ride in hilly areas. When you build your rear wheel it's a good idea to use a strong rim as braking at the hub stresses the wheel and spokes more than a conventional rim brake. Also, unless you are really small (weightwise) stick with 36 hole hubs. There are loads of 20 and 28 hole hubs around but they are for kids bikes. I still think it's a good idea to throw a front brake on too.
If the hub does fail, it usually does so in the 'guts' and once you've done it a few times replacing the innards is a 5 minute job. There's usually no need to lace up a new hub everytime....just give it a good inspection.
Good luck and keep us posted. Personally, I love riding a coaster brake.
Jim
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Originally Posted by Magna Man
In Russia, back pedal hub had shoes that could be replaced. Did this job many times when young.
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Originally Posted by Magna Man
Would not know-moved to New York many years ago. Most Russian bike hubs are garbage.
Curiously, is this a quote or commentary ... or did babelfish just eat it for lunch? ;-)
Это место заполнилось людьми, которые не знают ничто о велосипедах.
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Having never been anywhere near Zurich, I can't point you in any particular direction. I can say that in the U.S., coaster brake (back pedal brake) hubs are extremely common. And the hubs alone can be purchased for less than $20 US brand new.
I think the currently available Shimano/KT/Joytech coaster brake rear hubs usually work quite well. I find the ones that don't work very well are ones that have been seriously neglected or fiddled with by incompetents. Sometimes I find one that offers little modulation, going from "off" to "on" abruptly with no "middle". I've also found this to be true with old Bendix models, too, however.
It must be kept in mind that relying on a rear brake only, and coaster brake in particular, will never stop as well as a bike equipped with a front brake of just about any kind. However, they may be perfectly satisfactory for many users, particualrly in flat areas. Frankly, I haven't found coaster brake pad size to be a particular problem, nearly all coaster brakes are capable of braking up to and including wheel lock-up. Perhaps, more of a "problem" is that coaster brake hubs are essentially tiny drum brakes... with enough leverage to lock up that wheel. Which translates to enormous amounts of heat generated during agressive braking. Hence the smell of burning grease when the 270lb rider comes down off the mountain, and the "Repack" namesake. Fortunately, I'd wager most bikes never face such abuse.
Coaster brake hubs are not only cheap, but spare parts, such as (most often worn out) brake shoes, are cheaply available. Between replacement brake shoes, new grease, ease of service, and inherent durability, I'd say a coaster brake wheel could last a very long time indeed.
Completely by accident today, I stumbled across this link: https://www.velosteel.cz/ . A Czech manufacturer of coaster brake hubs. They seem to use one basic design (rather different from the common Bendix/Asian designs found in the U.S.) with a couple of sprocket options: three-splined and threaded... a very interesting choice. These may be much more easily available in Zurich than the U.S.
There are some coaster brakes I would definitely avoid. They'd be older Sturmey Archer three-speed hubs equipped with coaster brakes. While I've found they worked fine as three speed hubs, the braking ability was truly deplorable.
I think the currently available Shimano/KT/Joytech coaster brake rear hubs usually work quite well. I find the ones that don't work very well are ones that have been seriously neglected or fiddled with by incompetents. Sometimes I find one that offers little modulation, going from "off" to "on" abruptly with no "middle". I've also found this to be true with old Bendix models, too, however.
It must be kept in mind that relying on a rear brake only, and coaster brake in particular, will never stop as well as a bike equipped with a front brake of just about any kind. However, they may be perfectly satisfactory for many users, particualrly in flat areas. Frankly, I haven't found coaster brake pad size to be a particular problem, nearly all coaster brakes are capable of braking up to and including wheel lock-up. Perhaps, more of a "problem" is that coaster brake hubs are essentially tiny drum brakes... with enough leverage to lock up that wheel. Which translates to enormous amounts of heat generated during agressive braking. Hence the smell of burning grease when the 270lb rider comes down off the mountain, and the "Repack" namesake. Fortunately, I'd wager most bikes never face such abuse.
Coaster brake hubs are not only cheap, but spare parts, such as (most often worn out) brake shoes, are cheaply available. Between replacement brake shoes, new grease, ease of service, and inherent durability, I'd say a coaster brake wheel could last a very long time indeed.
Completely by accident today, I stumbled across this link: https://www.velosteel.cz/ . A Czech manufacturer of coaster brake hubs. They seem to use one basic design (rather different from the common Bendix/Asian designs found in the U.S.) with a couple of sprocket options: three-splined and threaded... a very interesting choice. These may be much more easily available in Zurich than the U.S.
There are some coaster brakes I would definitely avoid. They'd be older Sturmey Archer three-speed hubs equipped with coaster brakes. While I've found they worked fine as three speed hubs, the braking ability was truly deplorable.
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Originally Posted by shecky
I think the currently available Shimano/KT/Joytech coaster brake rear hubs usually work quite well. I find the ones that don't work very well are ones that have been seriously neglected or fiddled with by incompetents.
Originally Posted by shecky
Completely by accident today, I stumbled across this link: https://www.velosteel.cz/ . A Czech manufacturer of coaster brake hubs. They seem to use one basic design (rather different from the common Bendix/Asian designs found in the U.S.) with a couple of sprocket options: three-splined and threaded... a very interesting choice. These may be much more easily available in Zurich than the U.S.
So I have to take back what I said about noone making a good coaster brake anymore!!! I'm going to try to order one in the next few days.
Thanks for the find!
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Originally Posted by jimv
Oh I see. Well I hope to find one someday to examine....I am a big fan of coaster brakes.
Curiously, is this a quote or commentary ... or did babelfish just eat it for lunch? ;-)
Это место заполнилось людьми, которые не знают ничто о велосипедах.
Jim
Curiously, is this a quote or commentary ... or did babelfish just eat it for lunch? ;-)
Это место заполнилось людьми, которые не знают ничто о велосипедах.
Jim
Это место заполнилось людьми, которые не знают ничто о велосипедах translates to "This place was filled by people which do not know anything about bicycles."
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Originally Posted by Hunter
Jim,
Это место заполнилось людьми, которые не знают ничто о велосипедах translates to "This place was filled by people which do not know anything about bicycles."
Это место заполнилось людьми, которые не знают ничто о велосипедах translates to "This place was filled by people which do not know anything about bicycles."
Jim
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Originally Posted by familyman
Jim, keep us (me in particular) updated on that Czech hub if you pick one up. I'm very interested.
I sure will. I sent them an email last night. I hope to hear from them in the next few days. I may have to put together a multi-hub order.... we'll see.
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Jim, that sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't mind one of 'em if the price is right.
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Hi all
I'm picking up this rather olr thread. I'm thinking fo setting up a singlespeed bike and i should look minimalistic, that means using a coaster brake on the back weel instead of a rim brake. Did anybody order those hubs from Czechia and could tel if they're good?
Is there such a thing as a coaster break flip flop hub with the coaster break on one side and a fixed gear on the other (or a way of turning a coaster break hub into one)? Turning the wheel would mean to move the break lever to the other side of the bike, but that should somehow be possible... Or would that mean that pedalling in the fixed gear would tighten the break? in that case the break lever should be removed in order to have the coaster break spin free, I believe (IANAMechanic). Any Ideas or experiences?
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I'm picking up this rather olr thread. I'm thinking fo setting up a singlespeed bike and i should look minimalistic, that means using a coaster brake on the back weel instead of a rim brake. Did anybody order those hubs from Czechia and could tel if they're good?
Is there such a thing as a coaster break flip flop hub with the coaster break on one side and a fixed gear on the other (or a way of turning a coaster break hub into one)? Turning the wheel would mean to move the break lever to the other side of the bike, but that should somehow be possible... Or would that mean that pedalling in the fixed gear would tighten the break? in that case the break lever should be removed in order to have the coaster break spin free, I believe (IANAMechanic). Any Ideas or experiences?
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This is a break, and believe me, you don't want one of these.
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good job on the newbie for resurecting an old thread rather than creating a new one. The search function rules.
Bad job on the brake/break thing.
A coaster brake with a fixed gear hub probably has never been created. If one was, it was a one-off, as fixed gears and coaster brakes are on opposite sides of the bicycling spectrum (casual vs hardcore rather than number of gears)
NYC fixed sells coaster brake wheels laced up to weinmans. Just buy two sets of wheels.
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Bad job on the brake/break thing.
A coaster brake with a fixed gear hub probably has never been created. If one was, it was a one-off, as fixed gears and coaster brakes are on opposite sides of the bicycling spectrum (casual vs hardcore rather than number of gears)
NYC fixed sells coaster brake wheels laced up to weinmans. Just buy two sets of wheels.
end thread.
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Right, my English teacher would have killed me for that one. Thanks for the photo, Hobartlemagne, made me LOL about my mistake.
So, is anyone breaking the Czech way?
So, is anyone breaking the Czech way?
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i ride a coaster brake in orlando which is flat so im not to worried about burning out my hub, however is it better to lock up the wheel than to not? it seems like locking up the wheel would help minimise the internal friction. i can see how this would not be preferable in hilly areas though
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Or if you want to build up a minimalist singlespeed bike with the only cable being the one to the front brake, and still have two brakes. If you believe that real men drive fixies without brakes, go yhead and drive in the traffic.