I recently built up a black Wabi Lightning. It's a nice frame for the price. I built mine as a long distance single-speed/fixed gear. I love my Surly Steamroller, but when I put a rear brake and a freewheel on it, it sucked. The quick handling is great for dodging traffic in the city, but it's twitchy as hell at high speed. The Wabi on the other hand handles just like a normal road bike. It's also a lot lighter than the Steamroller. I would've liked it even better if it had a normal headset, but what the heck. Overall I am pretty happy with mine.
A little too expensive for a made in Taiwan to our specifications frame. No drop out protectors amplify the feeling of lack of quality in a bike that is priced so high.
The Fuji Track Comp RRP for $925 (buy from a shop and you can expect at least 10% discount). Carbon fork/Alu frame bike with house branded parts, should be a similar feeling from these bikes (on paper) but the Fuji is lighter, has better welds, looks like it was designed much better and (dropouts don't look weird and have steel protectors) , looks pretty awesome and it has a big name brand saddle, not a generic $10 looking one. But comfort is what's important (i know I know, not brand name)
The Fuji does have track geo though, which people are saying they don't want.
I guess if it had a better saddle and had the protectors then it might be worth $800
So who else has ridden one?
can we get this thread going again? It's been two years. I've already used the google "wabi classic site: bikeforums.net thing and just can't seem too find much about the bikes. So if you ride one and like it or don't like it, would you post here. Need some information about the quality of the spec's now that they've been published.
bro. everyone on this site loves Wabi. i've never ridden one so i wouldn't know, but i'm pretty sure there was a bunch of people telling you good things about them in your own thread.
yea, I'm pretty sure I want the frame but it seems like the components might have changed since 2008. I just want to make sure they're not junk as some people said. It might be better to build it up for slightly more.
Part of the reason I bought my Steamroller because I'm originally from Minneapolis, where Surly is located. I'd only heard good things from my friends there who ride all of the Surly bikes in ALL weather. I figured if it can hold up there, it can hold it's own in LA.
The only reason I say that is because from people I've talked to out here, Wabi is much like that- except a much smaller company than the corporation that owns Surly. From my understanding they hand build all of their bikes and Richard is a super cool dude who cares about his product. So, like I said in my previous post, though I've never ridden one, from what I've read I think their probably good bikes.
wabi owner richard sounds like a great guy. that alone may justify the price.
I need to do some more research on the frame material. I think the Reynolds 725 may be one reason for the high price but I don't understand why some people think it's so expensive. It's in the general ball park as other steel fixed gears by larger companies like Surly, Bianchi, Jamis.
Yea, Richard does seem pretty cool. I like doing business with locals like another Richard at bicyclefixation.
i think most of the prebuilt fixed gear bikes are priced a little high. before they were discontinued you could get a steel specialized allez for $675
I have a Wabi Lightning and like it a lot. The frames are very light and high quality. One thing to note is that the Wabi's are hightly customizable w/o extra cost for gearing, crank length, stem length, saddle style, handlebar style and width and brake options. The build quality is excellent and the stock wheels are tensioned and trued out of the box. The only subpar components are the tires (Kenda Koncepts). Finally, customer service (Richard Snook) is excellent, and my bike was built and shipped within a day of placing the order. Today I rode my Wabi for about 20 miles, and it has become my favorite street FG since I got it 3 months ago.
that is a sharp looking bike.
the rake on my 56cm Cross Check is 44.
The rake on the 55cm Wabi Classic is 45.
The rake on the 53cm Steamroller is 38. That's a big drop. [I'm pretty sure my CC should be a 54, the eTT is abnormally long on the 56]
EDIT: Surly LHT has a rake of 45 and it rides stable as ****. I'm missing something.
Reduced rake = more trail = more stability but reduced agility. Is that right? It's hard to believe that my CC is more responsive than the Steamroller. Do I have something mixed up?
"Less rake = more trail. Trail is the parameter that controls responsiveness and handling properties. More trail gives slower, more stable, less responsive handling. Less trail gives quicker, more "twitchey" handling."
from another thread.
edit: I read that HTA has to be factored into handling, but the HTA is identical on the Wabi 55cm and the Surly 53cm. Both are 73 degrees.
I was looking at getting a Lighting, but noticed they are out of my size online. I emailed Wabi about it and it turns out the Lightning is going to be discontinued, but will be replaced with a lightweight steel frame sometime soon.
bummer. Anyone know of similar frames to the Lighting that are still available? I was really looking forward to a lightweight, road-geometry frame with minimal graphics.
(also, zombiethread.jpg, etc.)
edit- intrigued by the Gravity SwIft2, but I figure the frame is not as good/light, not sure about butting. Would rather not start another BD thread.