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Old 05-21-12, 04:30 PM   #126
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Old 05-21-12, 05:50 PM   #127
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The new ones coming in the first week of June are black, which replaces the white. I'm going to nab one of them, I think. They're keeping the turquoise, which I think is a good color. Shows worse than it is on their site, though.
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Damn, this thread is just confusing me more rather than helping me choose! Are the decals on the Rush removable?
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Old 05-21-12, 08:33 PM   #129
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Damn, this thread is just confusing me more rather than helping me choose! ...
You'll find lovers and haters for any given bike frame. Unfortunately, you'll have to try and decide for yourself. I thought I wouldn't mind track geo for rising on the streets. Then after a while, I came to the realization that the promised velodrome in my area will most likely not happen and track geo for street riding sucks (for me). I, then, got more of a relaxed geo ss frame and have enjoyed riding long distances on it. The Wabi looks like even a better geo, which is why I'd like to pick one up.
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You'll find lovers and haters for any given bike frame. Unfortunately, you'll have to try and decide for yourself. I thought I wouldn't mind track geo for rising on the streets. Then after a while, I came to the realization that the promised velodrome in my area will most likely not happen and track geo for street riding sucks (for me). I, then, got more of a relaxed geo ss frame and have enjoyed riding long distances on it. The Wabi looks like even a better geo, which is why I'd like to pick one up.
That is my main concern is that over time I am going to grow tired of the track geometry. I have not ridden a road bike since I raced as a teenager, which has been a pretty damn long time. I usually ride mountain (single speed mountain lately). I honestly like the green of the Rush more than either of the blues of the Lightning SE...but that is just aesthetics. decisions, decisions.
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You'll find lovers and haters for any given bike frame. Unfortunately, you'll have to try and decide for yourself. I thought I wouldn't mind track geo for rising on the streets. Then after a while, I came to the realization that the promised velodrome in my area will most likely not happen and track geo for street riding sucks (for me). I, then, got more of a relaxed geo ss frame and have enjoyed riding long distances on it. The Wabi looks like even a better geo, which is why I'd like to pick one up.
I haven't owned a track bike yet so I can't quite comment on what it is like to do long rides on them, but to me it's like when some dude buys an expensive road racing bike and then has a whole stack of spacers under the handle to make it more upright - wrong bike for the job.

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I haven't owned a track bike yet so I can't quite comment on what it is like to do long rides on them, but to me it's like when some dude buys an expensive road racing bike and then has a whole stack of spacers under the handle to make it more upright - wrong bike for the job.
Thing is, you can get a larger size frame than you might use for serious racing to avoid that. Often people get frames that are too small just so they can have a lot of seatpost showing to look cool along with deep track drops and lots of saddle to bar drop. Look at Scrod's bikes and he doesn't need tons of stem spacers to get a comfortable setup. Also, frames like the Rush are not radical track racers, and are truly intended for road riding. Mine has plenty of room for larger tires and very little toe overlap. It even has a rear brake mount for singlespeed riding. The problem with the Wabis is that they have excessively slack head tube angles and too much fork rake to avoid any toe overlap and provide a soft springy front end ride at the expense of the nice responsive handling that I prefer. It also has an oversized downtube, so it doesn't feel like a wet noodle the way the Kilo TT does when I get serious.
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Also, frames like the Rush are not radical track racers, and are truly intended for road riding. Mine has plenty of room for larger tires and very little toe overlap. It even has a rear brake mount for singlespeed riding.
This is good, the kind of frame I am looking for to get to riding fixed.
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Old 05-22-12, 06:29 AM   #135
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Thing is, you can get a larger size frame than you might use for serious racing to avoid that. Often people get frames that are too small just so they can have a lot of seatpost showing to look cool along with deep track drops and lots of saddle to bar drop. Look at Scrod's bikes and he doesn't need tons of stem spacers to get a comfortable setup. Also, frames like the Rush are not radical track racers, and are truly intended for road riding. Mine has plenty of room for larger tires and very little toe overlap. It even has a rear brake mount for singlespeed riding. The problem with the Wabis is that they have excessively slack head tube angles and too much fork rake to avoid any toe overlap and provide a soft springy front end ride at the expense of the nice responsive handling that I prefer. It also has an oversized downtube, so it doesn't feel like a wet noodle the way the Kilo TT does when I get serious.
Ok, let's make this a bit more interesting. Has anyone ridden a Rush with a fork that has 45 of rake? The rake on the Lightning is 50. So is the difference in trail all that great? Anyone good with the maths care to dive in?

Rush:
HT angle=74
Rake=45

Lightning SE (assuming same geo as old lightning):
HT angle=71.5
Rake=50

I did the calculations but honestly the numbers don't mean much to me. Furthermore I might have done them wrong. Anyone want to give it a shot just for the hell of it? And for TT, what is the rake of the fork on your Rush?
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And for TT, what is the rake of the fork on your Rush?
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...Also, frames like the Rush are not radical track racers, and are truly intended for road riding. ...
Not that I totally disagree with this, because in reality, no two people are alike and what's comfortable for one may not be for another. But generally speaking, steep angles and short wheelbase does not say "road rides" to me. Also, I guess "road rides" is a broad term. Are we talking 10-30 mile city rides? 100+ mile country roads? So it depends on what you're wanting to do with the bike. If 10-30 milers is all you'll see, and you don't mind the discomfort if/when you decide to do longer distances, it really doesn't matter which bike you get. But if you regularly will do longer distances or if you want to be more comfortable on the longer rides, I'd say go with slacker angles and longer wheelbase. Look at the numbers on the Rush and say a road bike like a Madone or Tarmac. Notice the slacker angles and the longer wheelbase, even comparing it to these "race" bikes.

The Rush looks like a fun bike, though, and I'd love to have one. I like that it still has the 1" steerer that I can put a quill stem on for the retro look. And the color is nice. Only thing that keeps me from getting a bike like that (again) is: No velodrome.

BTW, I hadn't looked at the Lightning too much, but it seems like there is some difference between the Lightning geo and Classic/Special geo.
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I believe the Lightning geo is slightly more aggressive than the classic.

So I am curious how the Rush would feel with a larger rake fork. I didn't think this decision would be this tough.
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I would say it's not a great idea messing with the geo yourself. Frames and forks are made to work with each other. Tweaking something in one spot will surely affect others. Not saying it's not something you can't do, but hope you know what you're doing.
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I believe the Lightning geo is slightly more aggressive than the classic.

So I am curious how the Rush would feel with a larger rake fork. I didn't think this decision would be this tough.
Here what I would do, read TT's post, read everyone elses, and get an idea of what each bike offers. If you still can't make a decision, simply choose which bike looks cooler to you, because either way you're getting a sweet bike.
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yeah at some point you're just going to have to make a decision. as unlikely as it is to find someone here with that setup, even if you did I bet you'd still have questions.
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I'm liking the black Wabi's (on the site now). Will most likely be my next bike.

http://www.wabicycles.com/classic_bike_spec_11.html
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Okay, I'm seriously considering a Wabi. Can anyone update this thread a bit? It's just over a year old and I would love to hear from folks that've purchased a Wabi in that time. I was thinking Kilo TT, but seems if I save up a bit more the Wabi is the way to go.
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I'm new to fixed riding. I have a Wabi Lightning scandium frame 650 wheels. It is 16 lbs with pedals and bottle cage, drop bars and front and rear brakes. The really small scandium frame is stiff yet I find it comfortable. I did 80 miles Saturday with 3100' of elevation. The scandium frame is no longer available. The Classic is the best buy. I would probably buy the Special which is lugged if I didn't have the scandium option. Customer service from the owner Richard is first rate. I haven't read any negative comments about Wabi.
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Old 08-20-13, 06:23 AM   #145
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Got my Wabi Classic in the spring. I have about 800 miles on it so far and I am pleased with it. Perfect fixed gear bike for someone looking to ride on the road. I use if for mostly 20-40 mile rides with between 500-1500 feet of climbing.

Its just a pleasure to ride, comfortable and fun, light and responsive at 18#. The wheelset is awesome, relatively light and very sturdy. I am 200# and the roads around here can be bumpy and potholed. The wheels have held up well and required no adjustment so far. Customer service is fantastic. You can call or email Richard at Wabi and he will work with you to get the bike set up to suit your needs. I wasn't sure what stem size was right for me and he reassured me that he would swap stems for me until I was satisfied that I was well fit.

My only serious complaint would be the tires. The stock Kendas felt like I was riding a big wheel. Change those right out. I ordered it with a 110mm stem and it seems a little flexy, but not enough for me to change it right out.

This is my first fixed-gear bike so I don't have any reference for comparison but I have no regrets and would buy another one in a flash.


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I ended up getting the Wabi last year and have been enjoying it. I have sold all of my other fixed roadies (Steamroller, Pista Concept). I run it fixed and have done several centuries+ on it. Comfort and geo are spot on. There is some toe overlap (55cm), but not an issue in real-world riding that doesn't involve barspins and highschool girls. Customer service was excellent as Richard answered my emails even on Sundays. Components are great for the price and you can really ride 100% stock for many miles. Can't say that for most complete bikes in this price range. Even the wheelset is spectacular.

One regret is that I wish I would have gone for a Special. That is a good-looking bike.
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Thanks for the feedback @bowzette, @jerseyJim, and @palu.
@bowzetteBased, I'm new to fixed riding, or at least I will be when I get a bike. I mountain biked back in the day, but want a commuter for work and exercise. Glad to hear you like the Lightning.
@jerseyJim, I have no clue what stem size I'll need. Glad to hear Richard is so easy to work with.
@palu great info. I may have to get a Special then. It will just delay my purchase a bit
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I suggest you talk with Richard. The Classic will take very wide tires and has eyelets for fenders and rack. I'm not sure about the Special. The Classic may be a better commuter choice. Richard will give you good advice.
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I suggest you talk with Richard. The Classic will take very wide tires and has eyelets for fenders and rack. I'm not sure about the Special. The Classic may be a better commuter choice. Richard will give you good advice.
Good point. I shot him an e-mail.
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I suggest you talk with Richard. The Classic will take very wide tires and has eyelets for fenders and rack. I'm not sure about the Special. The Classic may be a better commuter choice. Richard will give you good advice.
Good point about tire clearance. Just a note that on my Classic, I tried fitting Panaracer Pasela 32's and they wouldn't clear the front brake. Fork clearance was 2-3mm. Some 32's may fit.
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