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Old 06-09-04, 05:48 PM   #1
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Question about clearcoated decals on 04 Pista

Hey! new to forum and fixed gear riding. Got mesself one of them shiny chrome pistas, and now i've got to make it mine. I've given it innertube armor for the time being... but imho the stickers only detract, and make my bike more thief attractive

but here's my question. what are the chances of me (not a professional bike finish guy...) being able to sand (or chemical melt) my way through the clear coat over stickers (or painted?) decals, then sand/peel/melt the stickers...all without seriously ****ing up the finish on the chrome? Anyone have experience with fine grain sandpaper on chrome? or chemicals?

i'm kicking around the idea of removing the 'bian' and leaving the 'chi'...and maybe the 'pi' on the top tube

anyways, i love the bike, love the fixed ride. i think i'm going to make up some errands so i can go ride.
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is there even a clear coat over the chrome?!
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is there even a clear coat over the chrome?!
yeah; though i'm not entirely sure why. but there's no sharp edge to the decals, there's definitely another layer on top.
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I once used acetone to remove factory decals over my Litespeed polished frame. The decals were not clearcoated so they rubbed off easily.
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you ride a "shiny chrome" bike and you're worried about thieves because of your decals?
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Old 06-09-04, 07:51 PM   #6
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you ride a "shiny chrome" bike and you're worried about thieves because of your decals?
They'll never be able to tell that the chrome bike with the stock 'track' parts is a bianchi if the logo's gone.

Really they won't.
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you ride a "shiny chrome" bike and you're worried about thieves because of your decals?
i know

the finish wasn't the only reason i bought the bike... i thought about the langster, didn't like it as well (plus the specialized store was a chain), and i couldn't afford to build up a surly or kona frame at my LBS. and i looked a little bit for an older frame, and read everything sheldon brown wrote about converting old roadies, but alas, i just love the look and ride of that bianchi frame. perhaps the next one i will build myself. (i'm writing this on a computer i built myself, so it's not out of character, i just don't have experience in it.)

the point isn't that i want the bike to be any less shiny (though i've thought about the whole tape thing)...i think the decals look cheesy, i don't like advertising, i want to personalize the bike (i'd rather advertise my chi than my bianchi). bike theft isn't terrible in columbus, but in my thinking, the less the bike looks 'brand new' the less it looks like it needs to be stolen. but wtf do i know about bike thieves'. psychology.

yeah, on the whole i think a bike that has an italian name on it is more likely to be stolen. having to worry about making my bike ugly so i don't lose it kinda makes me sad. i think the bicycle is pretty sexy (not as nice as a lot of yours), but like the daodejing says:

Not esteeming the valuable prevents theft,
Not displaying the beautiful prevents desire.

guess maybe it's time to get some spray paint

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thieves like flashy things.

chrome is flashy.

thus, thieves will like your bike.
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thieves like flashy things.

chrome is flashy.

thus, thieves will like your bike.
don't hate, educate
what do you ride? and what sort of 'look' have you given it?
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i haven't given any of my bikes a "look."

what i ride depends on what's in one piece.

2004 gary fisher tassajara, grey-blue version, singlespeed
2004 bianchi pista concept. (this only sees the track, so i guess it's irrelevant here)
2003 salsa campeon roadie. rode it to school (public university) quite often, nobody ever touched it. i have some really really nice stuff on that frame too.
1999 bianchi veloce, fixed.

i was riding a surly steamroller as well, but that's gone now.

it's like this.. you're in columbus, which is hardly the bike theft capital of the world. (i've been there.) if you use a good lock and use it properly, you're set.
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i haven't given any of my bikes a "look."

if you use a good lock and use it properly, you're set.
thanks fore
i didn't mean to imply you were trying make fashion statements, or anything... just wondered if you had advice (besides staying away from flashy bikes) on avoiding theft. my lock is a kryptonite evolution, so i think i'm ok.

(nice bicycles btw; my gf can't wrap her head around why i'd want to buy a road/track bike when i alread had a mtb. i told her it was somewhat like having two pairs of shoes...she didn't buy it) have you ever been to the track outside of detroit, mi? i'm headed to ann arbor and think i'll give it a try.

for anyone: (misguided) concerns about theft and decals aside, the first two reasons i gave for wanting to get rid of or alter the stickers were personal and aesthetic. Fixer, thanks for the tip about acetone. But what's the best way to take off a little of the clear coat? and what would be the best way to reprotect the metal? krylon, cure, sand?
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never been to that one. i dont have a car, i'm lucky enough to be able to borrow one to get down to the local track once a week, and that's only a 30 minute drive. detroit is several hours. definitely an overnight type of thing.
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Here's a thought. I've used steel wool to clean rust off a bunch of chromed steel rims. It may work to remove the decals and clear coat without damaging the chrome. I did read once somewhere that steel wool promoted rust on chrome but I have not noticed it. Then again, I didn't really care because they were just some heavy old 27" rims instead of a new Pista. Perhaps some others would care to chime in on what they think of this method? Good, bad, or ugly?
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yeah, on the whole i think a bike that has an italian name on it is more likely to be stolen.
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i thought bianchi was french?
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listen dude..coming from someone who would be the WORST BIKE PAINTER EVER!

don't funk around with it...you'll just find a way to make it really nasty....Columbus ain't that bad..I grew up there...get yourself a good lock (which sounds like you do already) and lock it up, and don't keep it outside overnight.

If you are ever concerned with the quality of your lock, go bigger or go home!
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ok... back to the original question...


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but here's my question. what are the chances of me (not a professional bike finish guy...) being able to sand (or chemical melt) my way through the clear coat over stickers (or painted?) decals, then sand/peel/melt the stickers...all without seriously ****ing up the finish on the chrome? Anyone have experience with fine grain sandpaper on chrome? or chemicals?

does anyone have an answer that is helpful or even relevant? I have the same bike... and I would rather not hear about bike theft, aesthetics, etc.
I just want the decals off.
thanks in advance.
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My Pista just arrived last thursday. I'm going to sticker it. My first choice the sticker, available from Microcosm Press:

"Why do you (or it may say we) worship corporate logos"


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ok... back to the original question...





does anyone have an answer that is helpful or even relevant? I have the same bike... and I would rather not hear about bike theft, aesthetics, etc.
I just want the decals off.
thanks in advance.
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I've got the same shiny new pista and I too have considered removing decals...not for theft prevention (2 kryptonite locks one big one small cover that), but for aesthetics. I ultimately decided against it. I don't rip the stripes off my adidas, I don't tear the little red tag off my dickies etc. As far as making it "my own" individual bike, I figure time will do that. You know, a year or so of riding will give my bike all the "love marks" it needs. For the time being, colored grip tape and some colored tires will make it about as mine as mine can be. I would change the seat, but I actually like the stock seat quite a bit.
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Here's a thought. I've used steel wool to clean rust off a bunch of chromed steel rims. It may work to remove the decals and clear coat without damaging the chrome. I did read once somewhere that steel wool promoted rust on chrome but I have not noticed it. Then again, I didn't really care because they were just some heavy old 27" rims instead of a new Pista. Perhaps some others would care to chime in on what they think of this method? Good, bad, or ugly?
No idea whether the steel wool will work to strip the stuff... but if there's any pitting to the chrome (which there shouldn't be, in this case), tiny bits of steel wool can get embedded and act as "seeds" for rust. Again, shouldn't be a problem with new chrome, but if you're cleaning an old pitted piece and you care, it's not a bad idea to use a copper or brass scrubber instead of steel.

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I've got the same shiny new pista and I too have considered removing decals...not for theft prevention (2 kryptonite locks one big one small cover that), but for aesthetics. I ultimately decided against it. I don't rip the stripes off my adidas, I don't tear the little red tag off my dickies etc. As far as making it "my own" individual bike, I figure time will do that. You know, a year or so of riding will give my bike all the "love marks" it needs. For the time being, colored grip tape and some colored tires will make it about as mine as mine can be. I would change the seat, but I actually like the stock seat quite a bit.

I will be petty for a second:
You obviously buy a pair of Adidas and a pair of Dickies because you want a pair of Adidas or a pair of Dickies as opposed to just wanting a 'good shoe' or a 'good pair of jeans'. Now, that's not to say that Adidas and Dickies aren't good products, but if 'labels' weren't a factor, you WOULD take the stripes off of your Adidas and the red tag off of your Dickies (not necessarily).
I bought my bike because I wanted a good bike, not because I wanted a Bianchi. I like Bianchi and I love my bike, but:
- I would rather not constantly be an advertisement for them
- I like the looks of a clean, no labeled, bike
That's why I am looking to find a way to remove the decals... I obviously will not die if I don't find a way to do that. I will still have a good bike... speaking of which, the stock seat IS super comfortable.
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speaking of which, the stock seat IS super comfortable.
yeah, but if I was riding an 04 pista, I'd constantly be crashing due to the glare.

anybody else have problems with that huge-ass sculpture in Millenium Park, coming west on washington?
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just as long as you don't remove the headtube badge.
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- I would rather not constantly be an advertisement for them
I have a friend back home in Ottawa who purchased his Dodge Dakota Sport pickup several years back. They were about to put on their Dealer sticker on the back as most delaers do, and he asked what they were doing. He told them that if they were going to put their sticker on HIS truck, they'd better pay him for the advertising space he's gonna provide. Needless to say I don't know what dealer he bought his truck from...
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dude the frank gehry(sp) totally rules. add the Soldier Field update and every year chicago looks more and more like the future. it'll be like Back to the Future II and Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey. Funny foam clothes for everyone!

jeff

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but if 'labels' weren't a factor, you WOULD take the stripes off of your Adidas and the red tag off of your Dickies (not necessarily).
I bought my bike because I wanted a good bike, not because I wanted a Bianchi. I like Bianchi and I love my bike, but:
- I would rather not constantly be an advertisement for them
Sorry dude, don't follow. When I want shoes I buy the ones I like and can afford regardless of brand (adidas here). When I want durable jeans that fit me right, again I buy what I like and can afford regardless of brand (here dickies). I bought a bike I liked with features I liked at a price I could live with. I'm not sure I appreciate the implication that I may be a name brand who-ore or whatever...If you're too punk rock for brand names, good for you...I'm too punk rock to waste my time worrying about it.
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