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Old 06-16-09, 08:03 AM   #1
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Does it bother you when strangers touch your bike without asking?

Just wondering.

Today on MARTA (our subway) I had my bike fastened to the wall at the end of the car. I had walked across to the other side of the car (about 3 feet away) to facilitate traffic in and out of the train. One station up, these two dudes come up and stand next to my bike. Then the guy on the left leans against my bike (facing away from it) and puts his hand on my saddle, his other hand on my handlebars. I am watching this happening and gritting my teeth. For some reason, it is infuriating me. I was slightly surprised at my reaction. I don't mind it when people touch my bike when I am at polo or just hanging out with other bikers ... but this felt different.

It made me remember something I learned when I was in college about people with disabilities. I worked at lab at Georgia Tech that did disability research. One of the things everyone there was explicitly told was to not touch people's guide dogs or wheelchairs. We were told that it was like touching someone's body ... not something you should do unless you know the person.

Anyhow, I was really irritated on the train this morning. Not irritated anymore, but I thought it was curious enough to ask other people if they've had similar experiences or not.
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Absolutely, but it happens. Especially when people don't think the owner is around.
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I've got to imagine that the nonchalance and disrespect of the interaction had something to do with it. I'm sure if you'd been next to your bike, and a stranger had come up and said "Aww nice bike man!" while casually touching the top tube, your reaction might not have been as severe. Treating your bike as just another piece of junk to lean against isn't quite the same.
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I've got to imagine that the nonchalance and disrespect of the interaction had something to do with it. I'm sure if you'd been next to your bike, and a stranger had come up and said "Aww nice bike man!" while casually touching the top tube, your reaction might not have been as severe. Treating your bike as just another piece of junk to lean against isn't quite the same.
I think this is it. I'll sometimes be somewhere I can see my locked up bike from and I'll see people inspect it and touch it and sometimes turn the bars and such and it doesn't bother me in the least. I think if someone just leaned on it and rested his hands like it was his I'd get irritated
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I've got to imagine that the nonchalance and disrespect of the interaction had something to do with it. I'm sure if you'd been next to your bike, and a stranger had come up and said "Aww nice bike man!" while casually touching the top tube, your reaction might not have been as severe. Treating your bike as just another piece of junk to lean against isn't quite the same.
Yeah actually I think that is what it was also ... I've seen people look at my bike when it's been locked up some place ... which is fine with me. He was just all leaning on it and gripping the saddle and stuff ... not cool. :< My poor bike! Oh well.
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No. Doesn't bother me. You are taking up public space with your private piece of equipment. Just like a car on the road, you have no right to expect it not to be touched. You have some (limited) right not to expect it to be damaged.
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Hey it's all good man, he got your ass-sweat all over his hands. I think you're even.
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No. Doesn't bother me. You are taking up public space with your private piece of equipment. Just like a car on the road, you have no right to expect it not to be touched. You have some (limited) right not to expect it to be damaged.
Yeah but there was plenty of space available. Including several seats. And even if there wasn't did he REALLY need to start grabbin it and ****? I've been on plenty of crowded trains but I can't remember anyone pissing me off like this before.

I hope he got my ass sweat all up in his ****.
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No. Doesn't bother me. You are taking up public space with your private piece of equipment. Just like a car on the road, you have no right to expect it not to be touched. You have some (limited) right not to expect it to be damaged.
I've seen a few people get knocked the **** out for touching someone's car.

It's simple, if it's not yours DON'T touch it. It's someone's property.
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I've seen a few people get knocked the **** out for touching someone's car.

It's simple, if it's not yours DON'T touch it. It's someone's property.
That's fine, then you need to keep your property off of public property.
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I'd be bothered if he was leaning against something that could come out of adjustment, like the bars/stem or shift levers, or putting a lot of wieght against the top tube. Other than that, though, I'm pretty open about my bikes and offer rides and such when people express interest.
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I'd be bothered if he was leaning against something that could come out of adjustment, like the bars/stem or shift levers, or putting a lot of wieght against the top tube. Other than that, though, I'm pretty open about my bikes and offer rides and such when people express interest.
It wasn't really expressing interest though. He was leaning on it. Annoyed coz there were plenty of places to go, and on top of that, even if he HAD to stand there, it wasn't necessary to hold onto it with his hands. :|
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It's just the same as how most people feel about their motorcycles. And you're right, it's like an extension of yourself, and has sort of a personality. It's not just a piece of metal, and if the owner is not there to be asked if some stranger can touch it, it should not be touched.

Most people know not to go up and touch a motorcycle.....But I guess that's not the case with a nice bike.

If I was there watching someone do what that guy did, I'd say something. But it is in public, and it is going to happen when you are not around. People are just stupid. I don't expect very much from the general public anymore.
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No I don't care if someone touches my bike. Jesus. I also don't care if someone touches my car. You shouldn't let your posessions own you. Unless someone hurts my bike, and I have to spend money or time to fix it, I really don't care what they do w/ it.

The reason I think most people will avoid touching a motorcycle but they will tough a bike is b/c most people don't realize how expensive bikes can be. Whenever I tell people I have over $1000 invested in a bicycle, they think i'm crazy. People know that motorcycle guys are crazy b/c they have proved it. If you want to spread the word about bicycles, you should do what the biker guys do---kick someone's ass if they %&%$ w/ your bike! Im jk...but seriously, ppl don't touch motorcycles b/c bikers are scary. We're just cyclists....

Not only that, but since when do ppl on a bus give a crap about anyone's personal space or privacy? PPL on the bus generally do not show much respect for one another.

It's like having a girl come on the internet and complain that someone on the bus rubbed up against her ass. Get over it. If it bothered you that much, you should have said something to the guy instead of coming on the internet and complaining.

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I dunno, I disagree. I think it is disrespectful. Like the wheelchair example I stated originally ... aside from my bed and my office chair, I spend more time on my bike than anything else. For someone to use it as a lean on ... I think that is disrespectful. My bikes don't own me, obviously, but they are easily the most important material possessions I have.

If I were a girl and some guy on MARTA was grabbin my ass, I would also be pissed, btw.
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His point was that you should have said something to him, not come on here to complain.

I however do agree with you on people touching my ****, I just do something about it. If you don't tell them it's a problem they will continue to do it.
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I dunno, I disagree. I think it is disrespectful. Like the wheelchair example I stated originally ... aside from my bed and my office chair, I spend more time on my bike than anything else. For someone to use it as a lean on ... I think that is disrespectful. My bikes don't own me, obviously, but they are easily the most important material possessions I have.

If I were a girl and some guy on MARTA was grabbin my ass, I would also be pissed, btw.
Right, but unless you SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT, you don't really have a right to complain. Don't be so passive. If something bothers you, say so. I personally don't care if someone touches my bike, but if you do, that's understandable. What isn't understandable (to me) is that you let someone do something that bothers you only to spend time on the internet later talking about it.
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I am a former motorcyclist and there is an unspoken and sometimes spoken rule that you just don't touch people's rides unless you have permission... with familiarity and trust things change and I used to be on the short list of folks that could handle my friend's 25k Honda Goldwing.

Some guys will tell you not to touch their bike, others might be a little more vocal, and there are a few guys that will mess you up.

Similarly... I won't touch someone else's bike and if I found someone feeling up my bike there's be questions like "wtf are you doing" moment.

The last guys who I caught feeling up my bike were in the process of jacking it... the locks baffled their simple minds and the "WTF ARE YOU DOING!" made them back off.

In regard to my girl, who isn't a possession, but someone I love and respect very deeply... copping a feel is going to result in an ass kicking of biblical proportions... if I catch you.

There is a fellow that took certain liberties like this (when I was not about) and fortunately for him... he is on the other side of the continent and if I do run into him I am going to f up this sleazy piece of ****.

If a man does this to one woman I am pretty sure that the list of victims is pretty long.

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Right, but unless you SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT, you don't really have a right to complain. Don't be so passive. If something bothers you, say so. I personally don't care if someone touches my bike, but if you do, that's understandable. What isn't understandable (to me) is that you let someone do something that bothers you only to spend time on the internet later talking about it.
I generally think it is unwise in the ATL to start **** on the MARTA train. Maybe if I were a bigger guy. D:
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I generally think it is unwise in the ATL to start **** on the MARTA train. Maybe if I were a bigger guy. D:
That would probably be unwise and one has to know their environment.

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the thing that pisses me off the most is kids. They will go running up to a bike, and start to turn the handle bars. they are normally playing and making sounds, but then my bike falls down, gets scratched and can get ****ed up. i know it is a bike and it is going to get scratched and dirty, but don't run up to it and start turning my bars.

the same thing with my now scooter. kids don't knock it over, but run up to it, twist the throttle and sit on it. that gets me real mad. i scream and if they aren't gone when i get there that kid is getting punted. same thing when i owned motorcycles, twisting the throttle and rubbing it. you don't do that. like Sixty Fiver said, you don't touch another mans bike. I didn't even touch the guys bike i use to ride with, and i have know some of them for over 10 years.
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My friends uncle(who is from Brazil)noticed that this person had forgotten to put their gas cap back on their car at this gas station. What does he do? He puts the cap back on for the person without even asking.

He got knocked the **** out by some white trash hillbilly for doing it.

I personally would thank a person if they did that for me.

Americans are such a sensitive lot about their personal possessions.

Oh nooooo someone touched your bike. If they didn't harm it who gives a flying ****?


PS...ok then there is common sense. Like not touching a biker's motorcycle.
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depends on what they're doing.
if they look like they're appreciating it, then no-- don't mind.
leaning on it? eff that.
i don't mind someone touching my bike as long as i know they're treating it with a bit more respect than they would their own, out of politeness.
if i look at a bike, i'll sometimes touch it, but i'll definitely treat it as though it was made of glass.
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That's fine, then you need to keep your property off of public property.


that's ****ing ridiculous


that's like saying when you're in the airport, someone could come sit on your suit case because you have it out in public


you're an idiot if you really think that way


public areas are meant for everyone to use, not everyone to share their stuff


it's a public area, not a ****ing commune
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I once yelled at my neighbour's kid for playing around my old Honda Supersport and he (the dad) got pretty pissed off at me until I pointed out I had just came in after burning it up on the highway and the engine and exhaust header were still smoking hot.

To illustrate this I spit on the header and this of course, vapourized instantly.

I really always worried about kids coming up to my bike and sticking their hands in or on the engine and getting fried to a crisp but a neighbourhood education program fixed that... you can look but don;t touch and sometimes I might even fire it up and rattle mom and dad's windows for ya.

After that some kids even got to go for rides around the block with me...I had fitted a removable back rest for my then younger nephew and the little gippers loved it.
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