Quiet 1/8" chain
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Exactly how tight do you want your chain to be? Running it too tight will caused increased wear/decreased life of not only your chain but your components. Plus, more noise.
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Originally Posted by veganwar
Exactly how tight do you want your chain to be?
With a particularly out of round crankset, which will have two tight-points and two loose-points, having a loose-point at less than 1/2" play can mean a way too tight tight-point; and, conversely, leaving the tight-point loose enough can mean a too loose loose-point.
I would like a reasonably uniform tightness throughout the cycle of less than 1/2" play.
Several authorities say that a tight chain, up to a point, provides greater efficiency than a loose chain.
Originally Posted by psirue
what's so great about bushing chains? or what's so bad about bushingless chains?
Bushed chains pay a weight penalty for the bushings.
Bushingless chains weigh less than bushed chains and generally have a little less lateral stiffness.
For my transition to a 1/8 drive train, I want to try a bushed chain partly because of the alleged increased stiffness, but mostly because I have no experience with bushed chains and I want to see how they work for myself.
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On my bareknuckle with Sugino 75 crank and Zen ring with EAI superstar cog, the quietest chain I have used is the Wipperman White Star. Cheap too, a little under 20$. The most important factor that I have noticed though, is to regularly drizzle some chain oil on it. After a lube and wipedown, its nearly silent for several hundred miles. Like sugarkane said, all I hear is tire noise and wind.
I ran the Izumi V for a while, until the little bolt and nut that holds it together came apart while I was flying along at about 30. Heard a rattle and something fall, and then wheeee, no pedal resistance. I only trust the spring clips now.
I will always run a 1/8" drivetrain, on my previous conversion I ran 3/32 chainring and cog, and within about a month the chainring had deformed, aluminum had been smushed over to the side. With the Sugino/Eai drivetrain, its all in real good shape after four years of hard riding
I ran the Izumi V for a while, until the little bolt and nut that holds it together came apart while I was flying along at about 30. Heard a rattle and something fall, and then wheeee, no pedal resistance. I only trust the spring clips now.
I will always run a 1/8" drivetrain, on my previous conversion I ran 3/32 chainring and cog, and within about a month the chainring had deformed, aluminum had been smushed over to the side. With the Sugino/Eai drivetrain, its all in real good shape after four years of hard riding
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I ran the Izumi V for a while, until the little bolt and nut that holds it together came apart while I was flying along at about 30. Heard a rattle and something fall, and then wheeee, no pedal resistance. I only trust the spring clips now.
last year I had to replace the chain ring and cog but did not a have a new chain. No way was I going to put an old chain on a new CR and cog. Went to several lbs and the best chain I could find was a Z510 HX. I have been riding on that since last fall and I have to admit it is nice. It ws quite and I have had no problems.
Right now it is starting to get loud, I know it is worn and I will replace soon. I am curious about the bushing /non bushing debate. I may have to try the White star chain...
Has anyone else noticed that when you first get a new drive train it is pretty quite. You ride on it a little then it is the BEST for a few months. Then the chain gets worn and it starts getting loud. Then the whole cycle starts over again?
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We all known what Sheldon Brown has said about chain tension. I was asking how you ran yours because you made a comment that sounded like you felt the need to run it really tight if you were riding brakeless. I busted a screw in masterlink on a HKK chain in NYC traffic and learned that no matter what kind of masterlink, don't ever use them.
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I busted a screw in masterlink on a HKK chain in NYC traffic and learned that no matter what kind of masterlink, don't ever use them.
I have had one chain come off in the last 4-5 years and that was my fault. It was the ESH but I was doing about 30 mph down a hill and it came off. No issue, it didn't break, I just got to the bottom of the hill and put it back on but tightened up the tension. I run my chains really loose but this time it was VERY saggy loose.
I trust the screw on type master links but the z510 chain I have on now is pinned. I looked at the masterlink that came with it and said NO WAY!
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I have been really impressed with the Miche drive train setup. All on the group buy stuff, minus some miche wheels i picked up on ebay, it is also dead silent. I didn't even have to try a second time to adjust the BB. Must have been lucky.
If I can get this crown race installed/replaced the mangled one i botched, I will get to check out zen ring and a miche 16t 1/8. im excited.
If I can get this crown race installed/replaced the mangled one i botched, I will get to check out zen ring and a miche 16t 1/8. im excited.
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Before you say something, I was like 16, buzzed and shooting fireworks with friends.
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Originally Posted by psirue
the whitestar is a perfectly fine chain.
For all I know, Wipperman sells the same chain under two different names and laughs at people like me who spend too much money for something I could've gotten at half the price.
Y'know, like Bud and Michelob?
I should probably order a Whitestar, too, and see if I can tell any difference in real life.
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I used to worry about chain noise too... then I went to the world championships and was amazed how loud the bikes were. At the 1 minute mark or so of this video you can hear it:
https://vimeo.com/5087022
https://vimeo.com/5087022
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Originally Posted by pazzmore
I used to worry about chain noise too... then I went to the world championships and was amazed how loud the bikes were.
John at Businesscycles tells me some 1/8 drivetrains make a lot of noise, but that this doesn't signify anything wrong with them.
I ride a fixed gear bike for my own enjoyment, and in the past, with proper parts and maintenance, I have enjoyed a quiet 3/32 drivetrain.
If, with a little planning and maintenance I can have a quiet 1/8 drive train, I'd enjoy that.
Still, thanks to pazzmore for the video.
If I have a noisy drivetrain on my new bike, I will chalk that up as normal and in company with world champions.
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I used to worry about chain noise too... then I went to the world championships and was amazed how loud the bikes were. At the 1 minute mark or so of this video you can here it:
https://vimeo.com/5087022
https://vimeo.com/5087022
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When I ordered the Wipperman 1R8, I flipped back and forth between pictures of the Whitestar and the 1R8 looking for a difference; I also read every description I could find of both chains, and again I couldn't find a difference.
For all I know, Wipperman sells the same chain under two different names and laughs at people like me who spend too much money for something I could've gotten at half the price.
Y'know, like Bud and Michelob?
I should probably order a Whitestar, too, and see if I can tell any difference in real life.
For all I know, Wipperman sells the same chain under two different names and laughs at people like me who spend too much money for something I could've gotten at half the price.
Y'know, like Bud and Michelob?
I should probably order a Whitestar, too, and see if I can tell any difference in real life.
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I will always run a 1/8" drivetrain, on my previous conversion I ran 3/32 chainring and cog, and within about a month the chainring had deformed, aluminum had been smushed over to the side. With the Sugino/Eai drivetrain, its all in real good shape after four years of hard riding
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I will always run a 1/8" drivetrain, on my previous conversion I ran 3/32 chainring and cog, and within about a month the chainring had deformed, aluminum had been smushed over to the side. With the Sugino/Eai drivetrain, its all in real good shape after four years of hard riding
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Originally Posted by operator
...3/32 is faster...
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