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Old 06-19-09, 06:12 PM   #1
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Suggestions to Fix Overlap on 50cm TT

I've read the other threads discussing toe overlap, but in an emergency situation (having to swerve), the over lap would be trouble. I was hoping to learn what others have changed (in terms of equipment) to mitigate the toe overlap on the 50cm tt. Any clips that are shallower? Different pedals? Any other suggestions.

I have read the threads discussing the rider aspect of the problem, but those comments are still appreciated.
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Old 06-19-09, 06:23 PM   #2
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welcome to the world of track bikes...not designed with quick swerving in mind.

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-get a different bike
-get a new fork with a different rake
-get a 650c wheel
-become very familiar with bike...how much you can and cannot turn during emergency situations
-get clipless pedals/shoes (might help a little bit)
-if your bike is too small, move up to the 53 or the 55cm kilo (less toe overlap)
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Old 06-19-09, 07:02 PM   #3
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The ball of your foot needs to be over the pedal axle. Changing clips is not a solution.
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get a bike w/ more roadish geometry. Kilo is pretty steep. Getting a less track fork could be a good idea. Also a good opportunity to throw some carbon fiber on there!
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Use a freewheel and stop pedaling during emergency moves.
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get a bike w/ more roadish geometry. Kilo is pretty steep. Getting a less track fork could be a good idea. Also a good opportunity to throw some carbon fiber on there!
its not all that steep at all.
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yea get a 26" size wheel with a very small tire (do they make 23cm tires on 650c wheels? not sure.), try your local bike shop for a used front wheel!
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I thought that this was gonna be a problem too... but in practice it really hasnt been.
I have a 57cm and size 12 feet... My toes hit the tire every once in awhile but I have never gone down because of it... Might be different on a smaller frame though I understand.
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its not all that steep at all.
what I mean is that the wheelbase looks pretty short (to me). I don't know that much about bike geometry, but it definitely looks like a much shorter wheelbase than some other production FG bikes i've seen.
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The ball of your foot needs to be over the pedal axle. Changing clips is not a solution.
going clipless from cages has helped many in the fight against toe overlap.

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possible solutions
-if your bike is too small, move up to the 53 or the 55cm kilo (less toe overlap)
Bad advice... everything else you said was on the money though
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Bad advice... everything else you said was on the money though
If your bike is too small (or doesn't fit for that matter), get a bigger size (one that fits you properly)...i'm pretty sure that goes for many other a thing as well. In addition to having a better overall fit, the larger the kilo, the less toe overlap it will have.
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Thank you all, this has been very useful. I'll just pray before I go out each time.
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if you like clips and straps get feetbelts or something similar. I ride a 50cm kilo and they work great. You can slip your foot back a little bit when you're turning tight ones and the pedal clears the wheel.
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if im going slow enough that toe overlap is an issue, in an emergency situation, id just stop. :-\
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toe overlap is a common pitfall of track bikes. so if toe overlap is a problem that you cannot deal with, dont ride a track bike.
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I really don't get how this is such a huge deal. It seems like if you're going slow enough to turn your wheel that far, you're going slow enough that scuffing your foot on the wheel won't matter.
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I ride a 47cm and don't notice any overlap unless I am doing some really tight circles.
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im fine on my 47 as well. be a man.
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the only times i've had had a problem with toe overlap while riding involved getting started from trackstands at stoplights if I had the wheel turned too much. It isn't really a problem unless you're average speed is like 4 mph.
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I thought that this was gonna be a problem too... but in practice it really hasnt been.
I have a 57cm and size 12 feet... My toes hit the tire every once in awhile but I have never gone down because of it... Might be different on a smaller frame though I understand.

Same for me except I ride the 50cm like the OP, and I have had the same experience as Jakerock. You get used to it, and even at slow speeds, your feet learn where they should be before you make a tight turn in either direction.
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