Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-19-09, 11:54 PM   #1
northsjfixed
Member
Thread Starter
 
northsjfixed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: San Jose, CA
Bikes: Vintage French FG Conversion
Posts: 40
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Should I learn how to whip skid both ways?

I already know how to whip skid with my right pedal forward and my rear tire whipping to the right. But I dont know how to whip skid the other way. Would it be beneficial to learn both ways or it's fine just always whip skidding to the right?
northsjfixed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 12:41 AM   #2
Overwhelming
Overwhelming Undertaking?
 
Overwhelming's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 72
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You can always make a left turn by turning right, and then right, and then right again.

Never need to learn how to tail whip left.
Overwhelming is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 01:09 AM   #3
ADSR
Gentlemen.
 
ADSR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chico, CA
Bikes: S-Works e5 Aerotech with 2009 Veloce and a Fulcrum 5s
Posts: 1,517
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Does it stop you faster or something? I guess if maybe there was debris on the right and you needed to whip skid for whatever reason. In such situations I'd just use my brake.
ADSR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 01:17 AM   #4
steveymcdubs
Senior Member
 
steveymcdubs's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Seattle
Bikes:
Posts: 499
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
nah brah whip skidz for maximum zen
steveymcdubs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 03:54 AM   #5
Tomo_Ishi
Riding Engineer
 
Tomo_Ishi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Tokyo
Bikes: Kiyo Kiyo Kiyo
Posts: 836
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Scared the crap out of me the first time few months back. I kinda "walked into" the two consecutive whip skids when I was trying to "skip." I think it's about letting the bike go where it wants to go. Now, I can do upto three times consecutively, slightly like the fish-tailing that those PRO's do.

Quote:
Does it stop you faster or something? I guess if maybe there was debris on the right and you needed to whip skid for whatever reason. In such situations I'd just use my brake.
Yes, it does. However, if you are doing it just to stop, it isn't really a skid. You need to chose one side and stick to it till you stop. Don't forget to put your weight on the rear tire as you aren't trying to skid; you are trying to stop. Your rear tire will slide out and you "stop" like hitting a brickwall. (http://www.oldskooltrack.com/) You have to remember, however, you are still "moving", just not forward-direction.
Tomo_Ishi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 05:43 AM   #6
inertiadreamer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Seattle
Bikes: Masi & Peugeot
Posts: 52
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
makes more skid patches, so yes it's beneficial in that sense
inertiadreamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 05:51 AM   #7
dudezor
abides and rides
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 471
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think it's probably of some benefit to learn to do it both ways, even if you ride with a brake. A bit of whipping can be helpful to position yourself through traffic and in unexpected situations.

Practising trackstanding with the other foot forward to your usual foot will probably help you get more comfortable whipping to your less favoured side and/or with your other foot forward in general.
dudezor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 04:48 PM   #8
fxdgrjedi
Fakenger
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Bikes: Yo Eddy Team, Serotta Colorado II
Posts: 177
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by northsjfixed View Post
Would it be beneficial to learn both ways or it's fine just always whip skidding to the right?
Well, what if you need to go left but only know how to whip right? I guess you could do a 270 but thats just silly. Think about it.


ps, In all earnestness, learning skidzzzz, skipz z z z , and trashstands both ways is a good idea. You double your skid patchez, have more versatility on the street, quicker reaction time when some idiot forces you into an emergency stop, etc. Practicing both makes you a more well rounded street rider. Yes, you should definitely develop your left pedal forward.
fxdgrjedi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 04:59 PM   #9
dsh
Oh, you know...
 
dsh's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: DC
Bikes: '74 Schwinn Sports Tourer (Polo), S-Works E5 Team Festina (Chorus 11), Trek 2200 Bonded Carbon (Fixed), Trek 920 (7 speed IGH), Chesini Olimpiade SL (1x7)
Posts: 2,834
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Also, you can initiate your skid sooner. If you think "I need to skid" right at the moment your right foot is passing 90 degrees on the way down, its too late to skid on that revolution and you've gotta wait until your right foot gets all the way back around. On a typical 700c tire with mid-70s GI, this is about 6 feet later. Can make a big difference.

If you can skid both ways, you'll only have to wait 3 feet.

If you have a brake, you don't have to wait ever, but that's a different discussion.
dsh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 05:47 PM   #10
happytruck
hey
 
happytruck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 193
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by inertiadreamer View Post
makes more skid patches, so yes it's beneficial in that sense
doesn't this depend on the ratio
ie tooth count on both ring and cog must be odd or something like that
happytruck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 05:52 PM   #11
ADSR
Gentlemen.
 
ADSR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chico, CA
Bikes: S-Works e5 Aerotech with 2009 Veloce and a Fulcrum 5s
Posts: 1,517
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by happytruck View Post
doesn't this depend on the ratio
ie tooth count on both ring and cog must be odd or something like that
All skid patches depend on the ratio, my son.

Yea you are healed. Come unto BFSSFG and learn the true ways.
ADSR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 08:06 PM   #12
prawza
Senior Member
 
prawza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Perth, Australia
Bikes: Avanti ventura, Fuga Track Bike
Posts: 298
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
the hardest bit is timing and getting coordinated, not so much initiating the skid.
You have to learn to angle your bars and lean the opposite way. very weird at first.
prawza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 08:13 PM   #13
dsh
Oh, you know...
 
dsh's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: DC
Bikes: '74 Schwinn Sports Tourer (Polo), S-Works E5 Team Festina (Chorus 11), Trek 2200 Bonded Carbon (Fixed), Trek 920 (7 speed IGH), Chesini Olimpiade SL (1x7)
Posts: 2,834
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by happytruck View Post
doesn't this depend on the ratio
ie tooth count on both ring and cog must be odd or something like that
No, it doesn't.

If you can only skid right foot forward, you'll have X skid patches.
If you can skid with either foot forward, you'll have 2X skid patches.

2X is always greater than X given that X is a whole number. Thus, regardless of ratio, an ambidextrous skidder will have more skid patches than someone who isn't.
dsh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 08:45 PM   #14
lz4005
coasterbrakelockup
 
lz4005's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: parts unknown
Bikes: surly steamroller w/coaster brake, electra single speed cruiser, specialized rockhopper commuter, no-name single speed folder, 700c ultimate wheel, 24" unicycle, specialized bmx lsd, single seat single speed huffy tandem, pink upsidedown parade bike
Posts: 825
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsh View Post
If you can only skid right foot forward, you'll have X skid patches.
If you can skid with either foot forward, you'll have 2X skid patches.

2X is always greater than X given that X is a whole number. Thus, regardless of ratio, an ambidextrous skidder will have more skid patches than someone who isn't.
Your math skillz are weak.
If you have a 2:1 ratio, you always have one skid patch regardless of left/right forward.
lz4005 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 10:14 PM   #15
vegipowrd
Lifer
 
vegipowrd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Jose, CA
Bikes:
Posts: 250
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
As an "old person" I can say that anything that balances the wear you take doing stuff that can mess with your knees is a good thing. Two directions means only messing up each knee half as much. Hopefully that's enough that you'll never have a problem.
vegipowrd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-09, 10:18 PM   #16
dsh
Oh, you know...
 
dsh's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: DC
Bikes: '74 Schwinn Sports Tourer (Polo), S-Works E5 Team Festina (Chorus 11), Trek 2200 Bonded Carbon (Fixed), Trek 920 (7 speed IGH), Chesini Olimpiade SL (1x7)
Posts: 2,834
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by lz4005 View Post
Your math skillz are weak.
If you have a 2:1 ratio, you always have one skid patch regardless of left/right forward.
my math skills are sooo much stronger than your math skills dont even front
dsh is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:16 PM.